I choose to believe that I don't have a clue what is scripted and what isn't. I do know that they are very "directed" on these reality shows, this one more than most from all accounts. I do find it disgusting to think that the leads have sex with each of the final "contenders", however I don't find it totally out of the question. In fact, there have been some that I would be surprised if they didn't. That being said, I do think Ashley knew it was JP very early on and I HOPE that she had better sense and a higher regard for herself than to do the deed with Ben. Believing everything we're lead to believe on this show would be purely stupid (which we generally aren't), so I choose to believe that I don't know. I refuse to draw conclusions based on what they do show because I know that there is so much that isn't shown. I am not even convinced that Ben was as into her as we were shown. It could just as easily been him playing the role he was given. We Do Not know!
Why does it matter if she did or didn't? It's her personal life to do what she wants.
You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.
Of course Ashley led Ben on. She had to do that. But he was also led on by the producers. "She's waiting for your proposal?" Good grief.Watched Jesse Csisnick (sp?) "Bachelor Beatdown" from the final epi. I don't like go there to because the language is so raw and trashy, but I was super curious so I gave in. A fair portion of it focused on Ashley "letting" Ben propose. Ashley Spivey (who is also Ashley H's real life friend as well as being a former contestant) tried to be very careful in what she said but basically shared that the producers told Ashley, "Look. The past two Bachelorette seasons we've had the final 2 guy let off early and it's not happening this time. You have to bring him in and let him have his say." She asked that people not hate on Ashley because they really don't know what was going on behind the scenes. The guys who were on also were pretty understanding of Ashley and basically said they knew her hands were tied. I think it was Natalie Getz who said that that night when she was watching she was, "Oh, no she didn't" But when she rewatched she said she watched focusing on Ashley's face and saw her look of dismay and pure panic. As she put it, who goes on with their proposal when they see those expressions? Also, it was interesting to hear that they tell the Final 2 before hand, "Buddy, it's you. You're it. She's waiting for your proposal." And they tell the Final 1, "Sorry Dude. She chose the other guy." That way they get the maximum response. JP wasn't fazed by it because he said he knew he would be "it." It leads me to believe that there were some things whispered that we weren't privey to.
This is exactly why we've seen things in the past like Jeremy going back to DeAnna and Reid to Jillian. It's all producer "inspired." I'm sure they told those men that the Bachelorettes were distraught about letting them go and would welcome them back.
Last edited by Holly in SoCal; 08-06-2011 at 04:27 PM.
I dont think they are all such fine actors (though many would wish to be!) But they have the benefit of the most creative editing imaginable. For example, the vast majority of the time Ashley kissed Ben, it looked they they were closed mouth pecks. She often looked sort of far away when she was with the other guys during the last half of the season. Quite frankly , the happiness seemed forced. And all of the alcohol helps. Alot. It reminded me of Meredith when she wasnt with Ian.
The editing includes using comments made about the F1 guy when we are viewing her with the F2, F3, F4. They can switch it all around.
Clearly, to some degree the guys see what they want to see, or expect to see. They are in that Bachelor bubble. That's probably why Ben didnt see how unhappy she was at his Final Rose Ceremony. Her expression just didnt register once he heard (from the producers) that she was waiting for his proposal.