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    Quote Originally Posted by pattycake92;4029735;
    Rewatching the diary of the departed with Chris, he is really devastated. I don't think I've seen a guy more heart broken and yes that includes Jason. Even during his teleconference, Chris sounds down and even says "obviously, I wish it were me". I am thinking that his hesitation for doing the bachelor comes from how blindsided he was and how deep his disappointment runs. I have no doubt that he will bounce back but this guy is fiercely loyal and it will take some time for him to move on completely.
    I agree! This was so hard to watch. On his HTD his sister in law said something about anyone that knows you, knows you jump in with your whole heart ( parapharsing, not sure of exact wording )...so I think that will take some time for him to get over Ali. He also states that he doesn't have a "type", it's just a gut feeling and instant chemistry with someone, just as his parents. My only fear of him doing TB, is that if he does feel this for one girl, it will only be her he sees..I can't picture him going the distance and feeling so strongly about two girls at the end, and them showing him having a hard time deciding on who he should pick. This would seem completely out of character for him. By the point of F2, he would know for certain whom he would want to marry or not...so that stringing along part would be hard to believe and hard to watch. JMO of course. It would be wonderful to see him find love and have success with TB if he chooses to do it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pattycake92;4029735;
    Rewatching the diary of the departed with Chris, he is really devastated. I don't think I've seen a guy more heart broken and yes that includes Jason. Even during his teleconference, Chris sounds down and even says "obviously, I wish it were me". I am thinking that his hesitation for doing the bachelor comes from how blindsided he was and how deep his disappointment runs. I have no doubt that he will bounce back but this guy is fiercely loyal and it will take some time for him to move on completely.
    yup... I agree. MF left too much in for the viewer to believe that he could have moved quickly beyond finding the girl of his dreams, his perfect girl, his soul mate to searching amongst the next set of 25 bimbos being brought to the slaughter mansion. My 84 yo mom was mortified when she found out that he was being offered the position and filming would begin as early as October. Her words... "You've got to be kidding! Anyone in their right mind could see how terribly affected he still was trying to watch it on that last show, and how drawn he still was to Ali. They can't be serious can they?" Let's just say... I've given her fair warning :nono

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamasue1966;4029728;
    Because Fleiss stopped short of showing Chris when he really broke down and lowered his head into his hands obviously sobbing.

    It is Chris's last scene, as he's riding away in the boat the scene switches back to his last PI and he's saying --

    "I'm still not there yet. Which means I have to keep looking and . . . I mean . . . just gotta keep lookin."

    Chris starts nodding his head, biting his lip, and wiping away a tear.

    Then he starts rubbing his head, bends down rubbing his eyes and you can definitely hear SOBS!!!

    So, if Fleiss had shown the rest of that scene we would have also seen Chris break down and sob! But Fleiss spared him.

    I think it is therefore COMPLETELY UNFAIR to try to compare the "classiness" of the way Ali and Chris handled their breakups! :nono

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    Yes CL was upset over the break-up, but that doesn't make him any less classy.

    Ali was dropping F-bombs on Frank and giving him LOTS and LOTS of 3rd degree Not to mention throwing down the flower or her shoe or something

    CL's wishing Ali good luck and complimenting how Roberto has lots of good qualities etc. HUGE difference in classiness during a break-up.

    Quote Originally Posted by terabithia;4029685;
    hmm I don't remember it sounding like she was sobbing when she said it, I remember it being a clear voice but I don't have time to check the tape. Or maybe it was a Frankenbite or it was scripted, there are other explanations too. But the thing is, there's no way she would have chosen neurotic Frank who needed constant reassurances over the rock solid Roberto if it came down to those two in the end. Once Roberto told her that he was in love with her then it would have been Game Over. She didn't want to spend the rest of her life reassuring Frank and telling him to man up, which we saw her do more than once during the show and her impatience with him being a baby about "the process" was pretty obvious. He was a hot mess.

    Anyway, I don't think there's anything I can say to convince some people that Frank was her F2, so we can agree to disagree and it's all good.
    Yes we agree to disagree I just find it hard to overlook her hissy fit with Frank and some compelling things she said
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    Quote Originally Posted by veryaddicted;4029837;
    Yes we agree to disagree :nod I just find it hard to overlook her hissy fit with Frank and some compelling things she said
    Yes, ALi had a hissy fit when Frank broke up with her. He blindsided her but she essentially did the same thing to CL. He was expecting a date and was blindsided and told he was going home. Now I understand that it's the nature of the show and eventually he would have been let go, and she spared CL the humiliation of proposing and then being rejected.

    But didn't Frank do the same thing to ALi? He knew he had stronger feelings for someone else and couldn't lead ALi on anymore, so he spared her the humiliation of being rejected later, or choosing him and getting rejected. Ali had every right to feel hurt, as did CL. The difference is that CL was classy about it and let her go with dignity. ALi acted like a child throwing a tantrum when Frank left.

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    Chris fan here, but you cannot ever compare what Frank did to Ali with what Ali did to Chris....

    Ali dismissed Chris (respectfully) in a situation that is certainly kinder than the nature of the "game" or the "journey". All 25 men KNEW before beginning that Ali was there to choose ONE of them....

    Frank did not even BEGIN the game following the rules....he had a love from home....the general concept is that each man arrives with a clean slate, ready to win the heart of the bachelorette.

    Chris was disappointed; Ali was lied to!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi;4030017;
    Chris fan here, but you cannot ever compare what Frank did to Ali with what Ali did to Chris....

    Ali dismissed Chris (respectfully) in a situation that is certainly kinder than the nature of the "game" or the "journey". All 25 men KNEW before beginning that Ali was there to choose ONE of them....

    Frank did not even BEGIN the game following the rules....he had a love from home....the general concept is that each man arrives with a clean slate, ready to win the heart of the bachelorette.

    Chris was disappointed; Ali was lied to!!
    I understand that it's the nature of the game and CL knew what he was getting himself into, but his feelings were real and ALi was making out with him and rolling all over him... and he probably thought he had a chance of being with her because her body language toward him showed that she was interested. So maybe CL felt misled. As ALi felt misled when Frank dumped her. The reason why CL doesn't have hard feelings was because in the end, he knew it was the nature of the game and Ali did dump him in a respectful way.

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    I know the blurb in US Weekly has been discussed, but I just wanted to say I was excited to read that producers have been scouting romantic locales near his home on Cape Cod. Autumn in New England is lovely.

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    Re: Chris L - no spoilers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi;4030017;
    Chris fan here, but you cannot ever compare what Frank did to Ali with what Ali did to Chris....

    Ali dismissed Chris (respectfully) in a situation that is certainly kinder than the nature of the "game" or the "journey". All 25 men KNEW before beginning that Ali was there to choose ONE of them....

    Frank did not even BEGIN the game following the rules....he had a love from home....the general concept is that each man arrives with a clean slate, ready to win the heart of the bachelorette.

    Chris was disappointed; Ali was lied to!!
    I believe CL is completely heartbroken. Not just disappointed. I will say I am glad CL didn't go down the path to pick out rings etc. I am glad he wasn't at the FRC with a ring in his pocket.

    Though, he did ask for her father's for her hand in marriage, which is just as significant..sigh This show is plain cruel

    I don't know if Ali's lied to, perhaps misled by Frank - who actually have tried to push her away for quite some time (this point is moot), but the way she was swearing and throwing a tantrum at Frank just doesn't seem very classy or necessary. Especially since we're meant to believe it was Roberto from the get-go. Frank himself was compassionate and respectful in the break-up, I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoowl;4030020;
    I understand that it's the nature of the game and CL knew what he was getting himself into, but his feelings were real and ALi was making out with him and rolling all over him... and he probably thought he had a chance of being with her because her body language toward him showed that she was interested. So maybe CL felt misled. As ALi felt misled when Frank dumped her. The reason why CL doesn't have hard feelings was because in the end, he knew it was the nature of the game and Ali did dump him in a respectful way.
    So why do we watch? If Ali or any other bachelorette are not going to explore her feeling for other people, they might as well put an end to this show...Each one of these men knew what they were getting into, there could only be one in the end.....Chris is a 33 yr old man I am quite sure he ok, they all have been before him..... I wish Ali/Roberto well on their journey of love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMilano;4029693;
    Great post! I thought the edit was a bit confusing, but always saw more than just a F2 "Lust" edit with R & L and also thought that the Chris edit was too much like Jason's to be anything but a set-up for the next Bachelor. I think some viewers got so caught up in watching Chris (like I did with Jason on Dee's season) and him falling for Ali that they missed seeing that Ali's feelings weren't the same - she just didn't have the same awe struck look with Chris as she did with Roberto, at least in my eyes.
    ... you can also add the times Deanna told or spoke of Jason being an "amazing husband". Yes, they edited this season much like hers... only I didn't realize it until after the fact. Deanna and Ali also both talk, talk, talk a lot as a way of dealing with situations. (It is peculiar how Deanna's second rejection of Jeremy in the finale mirrors Ali's rejection of Chris... both over-talk just before they do The Deed, then get upset when it proves more difficult than they anticipated. In Ali's case, she starts doubting her decision after seeing Chris cry.) Jillian was cut from a different cloth... she actually looked befuddled when Reid came back, not sure what to do without Mr. Harrison's advice.

    Ali certainly had strong feelings for Chris, but... as she stated, she feared it "was too late" with Roberto also in the picture. Her opinions of Frank post-show are as up-and-down as their relationship on the show. I am seriously questioning whether she really would have taken Frank to see her parents or if she was just BS-ing for the show and compensating for her Tahiti melt-down (which could have just been an ego-deflation moment that had her more upset than usual... who knows?).

    In addition, looking back at the last three Bachelorette seasons: Jeremy, Reid and Chris all behave much the same in the finale. They are shocked and emotionally drained. In the case of Jeremy, there is even a delayed reaction... he only starts crying up a storm when he is left alone. Reid is the most upset, but Chris is spared by the rainbow... otherwise he would have completely lost it as well. In contrast, Jason and Kiptyn resemble each other in surprising ways. They were shocked, even crying a little in the limo. Yet, you get the sense that they may have seen it coming... or at least semi-prepared themselves. Also, neither looked as upset at the ATFR or MTA as the other three.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alanna;4029690;
    The editing this season was HILARIOUS. Seriously, it was a joke. The whole time I thought 'how could A/R build a relationship that was based on primarily arguing who was the cuter and sexier of the two of them?" The bulk of their conversations were- you're beautiful, no you're gorgeous, you're so hot, it was a freakin heart, an island shaped heart, so sexy!! What the buh?! Yet when we got to see them at MTP, LCD, and even the deleted clip about food-sharing, it's so clear how much they loved and trusted each other.
    Then we had Chris and Ali, the love story you, me, and around 70% of the viewers got to 'see.' Obviously, there was so much editing going on that it's crazy. Again, it's all editing. I'm sure she did 'love' him as a friend and they had a real connection but not to the extent edit made it seem like.
    As for Frank, there is no way he would have been F1. He represents everyone who's hurt her in the past. There is no doubt that she liked him and maybe thought he was her F1 because it's what she's used to. Once she realized that Roberto really did fall in love with her, that she had nothing to be scared of when it came to his feelings, she would have chosen him no matter if Frank was still there.
    Quote Originally Posted by albean99;4029712;
    I just don't know, Alanna. I had thought he wouldn't be until Ali insisted that he'd have been in the f2 and she wanted him to meet her family. I can't understand why she'd intentionally undermine what people saw with Chris (not to mention being a slap in the face for Chris) unless it was true. That along with Roberto getting the classic f2 edit makes me wonder if Frank was going to be the f1 and Ali decided to go with the chemistry guy after he left.
    I'm getting such a DeAnna/Jesse vibe with A/R and can't shake that no matter how good looking Roberto is and how lovey dovey they appear. Hopefully if Chris decides to do TB he comes out with a love story that we can all believe.
    Again, just my take... Ali is "up and down" post-show about Frank... no telling what his "position" really was. She certainly wasn't upset that he skipped ATFR.

    One thing I have picked up with The Bachelorette shows is that the guys get even more wrapped up emotionally with the lead than the ladies in The Bachelor. Frank actually thought he was her number one at first... then wised up and hoppity-hopped back to Nicole. When Ali got so upset, he once again thought... just maybe... he was still her final one. His tearfest looked MUCH more convincing than hers in Tahiti. It is possible (just speculation) that she may have just had a bruised "rejection ego" and was over-reacting to it, but did Frank actually think he "broke her heart"?

    Stating that the editing was a joke is putting it mildly. This show was all lies and more lies to fool viewers... and the gullible guys on the show. Roberto was practically MIA in the episodes that count (like #5 Iceland and #6 Istanbul). Talk about hiding the relationship on screen! (This obsession with shocking the viewers with a "gotcha" is ridiculous.)

    What I am now belatedly understanding here is that the producers are completely lacking in confidence with all of the resulting couples of this franchise. As a result, with each new season, The Star's "connection" with the Final One is being pushed further and further into the background and presented as more "flawed" in comparison with the doomed competing relationships. In that way, when (s)he breaks up with the final pick, Fleiss & Co. can humorously say to viewers... "See, we showed you why it would happen." The fact that Jason finally married Molly was just a happy afterthought that the producers were not anticipating for originally. If Roberto and Ali make it to the altar, the producers will also be very happy, but they are NOT holding their breath right now.

    The primary goal, at least since Brad's double dump season, is to focus most of the attention on one particular relationship "that might have been" (i.e. Deanna/Jason, Jillian/Reid, maybe a bit of Jake/Tenley despite equal time with Vienna and certainly Ali/Chris... which took up twice as much time as Ali/Roberto) rather than the relationship "that was" in the end. In this regard, they can present a "romance of the doom and gloom" that Fleiss is a specialist at. This also gives them the giddy satisfaction of "sticking it" to the star, who just might later have second thoughts concerning his/her choice.

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