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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3856664;
    If you read the emails, and put what was said the other night together with the inside info from reliable people within the cheerleader circle it looks like this:

    Ty broke up with Melissa before Jason's season on the Bachelor. Melissa said Ty would not commit to her. She went on the show as a rebound. She did not particularly go to find someone to love. (My thought: We have said many, many times that most of them go for the adventure, so I won't condemn her for that one).

    The way she describes it immediately relates to what we have called "being in the bubble". She said she was not attracted to Jason, but he was "The Bachelor." In other words, the competition which is what the season is based on - 25 women VIE for the Bachelor - was truly in effect.

    Now, remember that she is telling it the other night in present tense, and we are watching it and reading the emails in past tense. She says she can hardly watch it.

    In other words, now she doesn't feel anything or the exact opposite of what she felt that night. Obviously, at the time of the FRC she was right smack dab in the middle of the bubble.

    She said she didn't know him. She hardly knew anything about him. She is being realistic now. She is saying in the present tense that outside of the bubble Jason is not someone she would have been attracted to in the sense of dating. However, on the show, she was not in her typical situation.

    I had a very good inside source in the cheerleading circle. I know that for a while after the FRC Melissa was trying. I know that like the emails said she knew the relationship was basically gone, but she thought they were supposed to talk about it on the the filming of the ATFR. Molly was a surprise. She had asked him several times about being in contact with Molly, and he denied it every time.
    You see in the emails where she confronted him about Molly. He lied to her about Molly, and he apologizes to her about all of it.

    He had been in touch with Molly. Read the emails.

    When does Ty come in? She got in touch with Ty after the relationship with Jason completely fell apart.

    Now, I think this is interesting! If we are going to get on Ed and Jake for cheating, then we had better throw Jason in there too because the proof is there in the emails that Jason cheated on Melissa by being in contact with Molly while he was engaged to Melissa!
    As usual, Bloomers, you lay things out there clearly and concisely. It's funny how we women are so quick to criticize others of our sex.
    It's like Mike Fliess was saying, the show is successful when women hate the women on the show and cheer for the guy. I haven't looked upthread to see if this was discussed, but it's a shame we women don't give each other the benefit of a doubt. Are people (and I know all the posters aren't all women, but many are) so anxious to find Melissa at fault in this situation?

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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3856688;
    Here's the way that I look at it.. Everyone has a right to be happy, and unfortunately a great many times for that someone to be happy, someone else is going to be unhappy in the process. That is sad, but it happens. It needs to be acknowledged. What is more important to me, though, and needs to be acknowledge is when someone is stepped on and squashed along the way so that the other person can be happy.

    Jason and Molly deserve to be happy, but it needs to be acknowledged that Jason lied to Melissa about being in contact with Molly, and he agreed to get to approach Molly in a way that was humiliating to Melissa.

    Jillian and Ed deserve to be happy, but it needs to be acknowledged that Ed was not free and clear and was still communicating with two girlfriends while he and Jillian were getting together.

    Jake and Vienna deserve to be happy, but it looks like at this point that, according to Tanya, Jake was not honest about his goals and intentions.

    People do deserve to be happy, and it does gets messy along the way, but we need to keep things in perspective and not just sweep the things we would like to ignore under the rug.
    Brilliant post, Bloomers. Thank you. This is indeed the bottom line of the issue.

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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by anders332;3856717;
    That is the crux of my disgust for Jason - and for MF to say during Monday night's show that it was the audience's right to see that happen made me sick (I think he called it closure - I can't remember). To think that his end game is about making us happy is bull crap - for him it's about money and ratings and he got it - and we got duped.
    Actually, for me it was the final straw with this show. I managed NOT to watch for Jillian's or Jake's season. I'll have to see if I ever come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondieGal;3855652;
    Perhaps the 5 1/2 was not inclusive of just the bachelorettes, rather production staffers and such.
    It is possible that the show writers get their ideas for their (made up) storylines from past seasons.
    Now, that would be an, uh...."inappropriate relationship" , wouldn't it? hehe

    Blob the Bachelor sleeps with the staff and it is ignored, but Rozlyn canoodles with one of the producers and it is major mayhem on the set.

    I still can NOT get too upset over the Rozlyn thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maryhse;3855289;

    And if MF can spend 20K on Matt's teeth looks like he could fork over a couple hundred to have his own cleaned...freaky.
    So true! and thank you for the laugh!!
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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3856664;
    If you read the emails, and put what was said the other night together with the inside info from reliable people within the cheerleader circle it looks like this:

    Ty broke up with Melissa before Jason's season on the Bachelor. Melissa said Ty would not commit to her. She went on the show as a rebound. She did not particularly go to find someone to love. (My thought: We have said many, many times that most of them go for the adventure, so I won't condemn her for that one).

    The way she describes it immediately relates to what we have called "being in the bubble". She said she was not attracted to Jason, but he was "The Bachelor." In other words, the competition which is what the season is based on - 25 women VIE for the Bachelor - was truly in effect.

    Now, remember that she is telling it the other night in present tense, and we are watching it and reading the emails in past tense. She says she can hardly watch it.

    In other words, now she doesn't feel anything or the exact opposite of what she felt that night. Obviously, at the time of the FRC she was right smack dab in the middle of the bubble.

    She said she didn't know him. She hardly knew anything about him. She is being realistic now. She is saying in the present tense that outside of the bubble Jason is not someone she would have been attracted to in the sense of dating. However, on the show, she was not in her typical situation.

    I had a very good inside source in the cheerleading circle. I know that for a while after the FRC Melissa was trying. I know that like the emails said she knew the relationship was basically gone, but she thought they were supposed to talk about it on the the filming of the ATFR. Molly was a surprise. She had asked him several times about being in contact with Molly, and he denied it every time.
    You see in the emails where she confronted him about Molly. He lied to her about Molly, and he apologizes to her about all of it.

    He had been in touch with Molly. Read the emails.

    When does Ty come in? She got in touch with Ty after the relationship with Jason completely fell apart.

    Now, I think this is interesting! If we are going to get on Ed and Jake for cheating, then we had better throw Jason in there too because the proof is there in the emails that Jason cheated on Melissa by being in contact with Molly while he was engaged to Melissa!


    I have always felt those emails were either planted. staged or the start of the set up of the Mel pity party or her sid eof the story. I am not even sure if they are real emails. I see nothing in them or from your source that proves they seen each other before the ATFR was filmed. How many times have people said they know for a fact this or that when in reality it was just a gut feeling. Jason's response to her was he was sorry about thinking about Molly. It said nothing about seeing her. As far as your source goes, I don't trust so called sources, what was her motive for talking to you? Was she setting up Mels defense? Does she really even know Mel? Does she have any proof besides Mels word? I seen so many so called insiders claiming to know info that clearly contradicted what Mel said then and now. And I believe there are picture of her with Ty before the filming. It does not matter to what extent they were back together, she was still in contact with the man she claimed to love even before the bachelor started.

    I do not believe she ever had real feelings for Jason. Maybe she did get caught up in the moment a little but I strongly believe the majority of it was for the win period and nothing to do with Jason. I wonder how much of the manipulation was of Mel's doing. She clearly lied to Jason about past relationships. She claimed she did not date for 3 years. She was so nervous because this was the first date in that time. Really how much of that so called fighting for him was to keep herself in the public eye and not for Jason? I doublt if she faught to hard for him when she clearly admits she had no interest in even contacting him regardless of what tense she is referring to. She needs to remember what she said on tv and what she puts in writing this is not the first time she contradicts herself. She has also done it with her tv career claiming she never dreamed of being on tv ever yet she wrote in her bog that was her dream job

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3856688;
    Here's the way that I look at it.. Everyone has a right to be happy, and unfortunately a great many times for that someone to be happy, someone else is going to be unhappy in the process. That is sad, but it happens. It needs to be acknowledged. What is more important to me, though, and needs to be acknowledge is when someone is stepped on and squashed along the way so that the other person can be happy.

    Jason and Molly deserve to be happy, but it needs to be acknowledged that Jason lied to Melissa about being in contact with Molly, and he agreed to get to approach Molly in a way that was humiliating to Melissa.

    Jillian and Ed deserve to be happy, but it needs to be acknowledged that Ed was not free and clear and was still communicating with two girlfriends while he and Jillian were getting together.

    Jake and Vienna deserve to be happy, but it looks like at this point that, according to Tanya, Jake was not honest about his goals and intentions.
    People do deserve to be happy, and it does gets messy along the way, but we need to keep things in perspective and not just sweep the things we would like to ignore under the rug.
    re the bolded. Oh really what about her role in this. She agreed to go on national tv to do a fake public break up. She did not have to agree to that. We are told her anger is about finding out about Molly. We are told she found out while talking to him on camera, so why the anger when she walked out? What about her lies to Jason about past relationships. When did Jason find out about Ty? If she didn't want Jason why so angry about him being still in love with Molly when she clearly was still in love with Jason. She clearly is not an inocent bystander in all of this. She did after all sign up for a reality show.


    As far as Fleiss. I agree he is kinda creepy but evil? Well maybe a little. These people signed a contract that clearly state what they can and probably will do to them Are we sure we know what we think we know about the going on behind the scene. How many fudge their stories after the fact? I seen a lot of speculation turn fact without any proof. How many blame editing etc when in reality it was the actual behavior we seen. I agree there is a lot of manipulation but I am sure many are ready and willing to play along with the scrtipt for their 15 minutes. Just don't go on a reality show and claim innocent party when you clearly knew in advance the possiblities. There really is no excuse, there is plenty of information online and else where about behind the scenes of reality tv. Do not go on without looking into it.

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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by nanarama;3856742;
    As usual, Bloomers, you lay things out there clearly and concisely. It's funny how we women are so quick to criticize others of our sex.
    It's like Mike Fliess was saying, the show is successful when women hate the women on the show and cheer for the guy. I haven't looked upthread to see if this was discussed, but it's a shame we women don't give each other the benefit of a doubt. Are people (and I know all the posters aren't all women, but many are) so anxious to find Melissa at fault in this situation?
    Marvelous post by Bloomers really explains the contradiction between what Melissa said in her emails then and what she is saying now, using a bit of "revisionist history" and 20/20 hindsight.

    Unfortunately, the Jason vs. Melissa war is still being fought, with the strong supporters on each side continually looking for ammo to bolster their case by punching holes in the other's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonyab1974;3856705;
    He lived with his brother? I don't remember him saying that.
    Here's one of many sites that report he used to live with his brother:

    Jason Mesnick

    "Jason currently lives with his younger brother, Larry, and with Ty."

    When they showed the "at-home" dates with Jason in Seattle, they actually rented a houseboat and claimed that was Jason's home. Actually, he lived many miles inland with his brother at the time, but of course they didn't show that.

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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3856785;
    Now, that would be an, uh...."inappropriate relationship" , wouldn't it? hehe

    Blob the Bachelor sleeps with the staff and it is ignored, but Rozlyn canoodles with one of the producers and it is major mayhem on the set.

    I still can NOT get too upset over the Rozlyn thing.


    I was under the impression that Bob slept with the women contestants on the show, not anyone from the Bachelor staff. The allegations against Rozlyn are much different.

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    Re: 20/20 The Bachelor - The Stories Behind the Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by InsideOut;3856908;
    Here's one of many sites that report he used to live with his brother:

    Jason Mesnick

    "Jason currently lives with his younger brother, Larry, and with Ty."

    When they showed the "at-home" dates with Jason in Seattle, they actually rented a houseboat and claimed that was Jason's home. Actually, he lived many miles inland with his brother at the time, but of course they didn't show that.
    Oh okay thanks!!! Yes they did make him into a pretty package but in reality he is just a human being with flaws. And who isn't perfect. Nobody is.. But Fliess doesn't care. He wants to show the pretty package.

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