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    Jake is compelled to be "perfect" to everyone, his asking every family's permission to propose was kinda pathetic. He totally deserves what he gets.

    Tenley is on the rebound and according to her family is still emotionally distraught, understandably, it's been less than a year.

    Daddy's little princess will never grow up. If he chooses her, he was warned and deserves what he gets.

    Gia ... something's weird.

    If I didn't think this was mostly scripted, I'd be concerned for all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brittyiswitty;3822752;
    I was not creeped out about it because I believe they became close after the divorce from the mom and now she is divorce they might have a lot more understanding . He is been protective and he was not groping her he gave her a hug to show his support and it is his only child he will be protective the half sister was married into the family i read. Busting into the room you can see it was a joke they were laughing about it I thought it was cute, call me naive.
    It wasn't cute at all, in my eyes. More like pathetic and embarrasing. Honestly, their relationship comes across as unnatural. Makes you wonder if Vienna has some tales to tell about dear old dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minime13;3822934;
    Okay, I finally get the Jake/Vienna connection.

    Both of them have the personality of a wet napkin.

    In last night's show, he did nothing to show anything of himself when he met the 4 respective families. He sat back and almost stoically answered every question thrown at him - same answer with every family, gross - while playing the part of caring boyfriend with his caresses, eye contact, and body language. Body language used lightly, because I just think he digs the fact that he's suddenly dating 4 women who probably wouldn't look at him in the real world. Not that he isn't cute or anything, but I haven't heard of an interesting or personal comment leaving his mouth since he was on the Bachelorette season. Honestly - what do we know about him? Except that he is sampling a buffet of women right now, loves the hell out of it, and isn't anywhere close to being ready or able to settle down with anyone. Seriously, the man is lacking heavily on an identity of his own, and it seems like that is really the only thing that he has in common with any of these remaining women.

    Now, for the women...Ali, in my opinion, wasn't being childish, manipulative, or anything other than realistic in her decision to exit the show. If the situation was real, in the fact that she had to go back to work earlier than expected or lose her job, and she really felt enough for this guy to have trouble making this decision, then why wouldn't she go to the man that she loves, explain the situation, and ask for his advice? Lose your job or take a chance with a man who's dating 3 other women...what else would you do but confront him and see if he's going to give you a reason to take that chance? Even if signing up for the show questions one's individual intellect, I think that was the best decision she could make, and the best way to handle it. Look at what she has - a man who is dating 3 other women, one of whom rubs everyone else the wrong way (sorry, if 1 girl had a problem with you, that would be different, but if you turn the entire house against you, then there's a problem...and the confirmation came when Vienna's parents said that she's always had that problem) that he keeps taking up for, and she has not only introduced him to her family as a potential future husband, but has shared a deep, personal (and to each his/her own, but not creepy on my account at all) and painful memory from her recent past, and he really hasn't returned a real sentiment back, with the exception of his robotic answer that he has given to everyone else. Kudos to Ali for leaving, because I'm sure that facebook job will be worth more than Jake in the future.

    Gia - she seems to be the most down to Earth, and the most sensible of the remaining girls. First off, meeting up with the family in a neutral setting - a restaurant - not only shows a great deal of consideration for Jake, in my opinion, but also allows a certain degree of respect for her family (not inviting the world into their private life for the sake of a reality show) and allows her to keep her own comfort about her by being as cautious as she needs to be when dating a man on a reality tv show. Smart move. Her family seems normal, as well. Mom asking him, essentially, how it is possible for him to be falling in love with 4 women, and wanting to know what he honestly likes about Gia (and probably hoping he can come up with something other than the obvious), brother essentially telling Jake that he's got his number, and then questioning Gia about what she really thinks is going on, and then Gia being honest with her mom about what she feels and what she thinks he feels (that he treats her the same way as the other girls, doesn't see any different or unique treatment, and, most importantly, doesn't buy the "in love" thing because there is no possible way that he could truly be in love at this point). She has her head on straight, at least, and understands - at least at this point - what she's gotten herself into. She's also too good for the likes of Jake, too.

    Tenley - I don't know how she got herself mixed up in this show - she just seems to want a replacement for her ex-husband, or this is a completely prolonged rebound into a hopeful serious relationship for her. I could go into it further, but girl isn't nearly at the place where she needs to be to even date, much less try to get married. This is only going to add more years of therapy to her current list of needs, in my opinion.

    Vienna - I'm sorry, but I think she is just a catty witch. Like I said previously, when you have always had issues of so-called jealousy with other women throughout your life, the problem is with you, and I can see where the issues arise from after viewing last night's episode. The only child, daddy's little girl has been spoiled all her life, and has grown up in an atmosphere where it is perfectly expected to not be culpable of anything. I actually feel bad for her because her demeanor and behavior is a direct reflection of how she was raised, and it's hard to step out on your own, away from that bubble, when you don't ever have to. When you have that kind of life, thought, there should be no surprise when other people have little to no respect for you because you've spent your entire life acting like a 6 year old. If I were a man, and my girlfriend's dad told me she needed to be treated like a princess, I'd walk right out the door without any apologies. The fact that Jake actually played along and said, sure I'll treat her like a princess, just makes me gag. If that's really what he wants, then he should have left the Bachelorette show long before he was asked to leave. Which, to me, shows that he has no idea what he wants.

    In all honesty, I agree with a lot of posts here - really, but I hope the $$ he's getting paid to publicly display to the world that he has no balls is worth it in the end. What a disaster of a show.
    You make a very good point. How can he go from "I really really like you a lot, a whole lot" to Jillian and claim she was the kind of girl he was attracted to and leave angry and disappointed with "nice guys finish last" last season to ..............(fastforward) within a couple of months........ he is falling in love with Tenley, Gia, Ali and Vienna all at the same time. If he knew what he was looking for in his mate he wouldn't be so confused at 32 with an idealistic view of his "idealistic" mate. The best one he found out of 25 that he was most attracted to from the get go was Vienna. He has to face up to the reality of what qualities he is drawn to and attracts into his life. He is "needy" for attention and he is getting plenty from Vienna. The other 3 women are adult about how they see this relationship. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2;3823049;
    Jake is compelled to be "perfect" to everyone, his asking every family's permission to propose was kinda pathetic. He totally deserves what he gets.

    Tenley is on the rebound and according to her family is still emotionally distraught, understandably, it's been less than a year.

    Daddy's little princess will never grow up. If he chooses her, he was warned and deserves what he gets.

    Gia ... something's weird.

    If I didn't think this was mostly scripted, I'd be concerned for all of them.

    Gia as the shy, introvert is hard to swallow. We saw her confront Vienna as being the only girl who wanted to be her friend so her behavior in Jake's presence seems like an act. I don't get her shy act maybe PTB driven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurferBlonde;3822575;
    As bad the economy is right now, those of us lucky enough to have a job know that it is harder to get a new job these days than find a new love. Besides half of all US marriages end in divorces, and only one of the 14 or so Bachelor/Bachelorette's have ended in marriage. What are the odds that this was Jake's or Ali's true love? I know that it sounds cold-hearted and calculating, but I think Ali made the right choice.
    I agree with her choice, too. It's not as though he was making any promises to her!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo777;3823094;
    It wasn't cute at all, in my eyes. More like pathetic and embarrasing. Honestly, their relationship comes across as unnatural. Makes you wonder if Vienna has some tales to tell about dear old dad.


    That whole scene with her dad was very creepy and your statement in bold was exactly what was going through my mind. I really don't want to go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonyab1974;3823031;
    Well he is her father. He will probably always see her as his princess.. Or baby. That's what a parent does.
    I agree. Vienna's dad was a sweetie. I think people are so used to seeing crappy parents on tv that they are immediately cynical when a caring loving one is shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minime13;3822934;


    Gia - First off, meeting up with the family in a neutral setting - a restaurant - not only shows a great deal of consideration for Jake, in my opinion, but also allows a certain degree of respect for her family (not inviting the world into their private life for the sake of a reality show)



    You do realize that NOBODY owns a HOUSE in New York City.


    I doubt it was feasible to bring an entire fliming crew into an Apartment complex. That's the most likely reason it was filmed at a neutral location. It was out of necessity.

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    his asking every family's permission to propose was kinda pathetic. He totally deserves what he gets.
    In the early seasons The Bachelor would routinely ask all the parents for their permission. I recall one of The Bach's later saying that it was very uncomfortable for them... but TPTB wanted it in the show... it seems that we haven't seen that in a while so either the notion was dropped and Jake took it upon himself to ask every family... or it is producer driven.. and it's just been edited out the last few seasons...
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    Great HTD's! Gia's family very likeable. Especially Eric. Didn't care for the super ponytail on the old guy, but that's outer stuff. I thought her Mom was dead on with the Tarot cards, but Jake disagreed? He should have listened closer! Ali took him to her special place. Ali has strong belief of afterlife, loving and caring. She lived and cared for her Grandmother while she was a freshman in college. think about that. Tenley gave a special part of herself: created and performed a dance just for him. Tenley is sweet. I also enjoyed seeing Vienna with her family in Florida. That is a cute dog.
    Playful and fun. Good group of people. Nothing creeped me out.

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