Originally Posted by graycat11;3808878;
Originally Posted by graycat11;3808878;
Great point. :nod I've been in that situation...as the target. It's hurtful and not fun. Since Fleiss isn't showing us Vienna's misdeeds, I'm assuming they just clash with her personality and are a tad bit jealous that Jake seems so taken with her. Which, under the circumstances, is understandable, but I dont like that they run to Jake and try to convince them that they are right and he is wrong. And not all the girls seem to hate her. Gia doesn't seem to be on the Hate Vienna train as much as the other girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattus;3808795;
Your explanation here is helpful. Men don't see things like women do in dating relationships. I think we like things a little simpler than some women give us. We would rather see a women like she really is not the one that's performing to get our attention. You can tell the difference!Quote:
Originally Posted by JordynRoses;3808755;
Fleiss is giving us a very different storyline this season. It is hard to like any of these women totallly. They all have obvious faults.
I see why Jake likes Vienna. They have fun together and she is very sweet around him. There is obvious jealousy when Vienna is so possesive of Jake even in the presence of the other women. Ali started doing that on the dune buggy date and Vienna was edited to have not liked that. I can't remember a season when they were setting up such an obvious division between two women. I'm wondering why that's happening and what it will lead to?
Well, I must be a "b" like you ! LOL! I agree with your assessment. I haven't liked Vienna from the beginning - just a red flag for a reason I couldn't put my finger on. She's shallow - that's the predominant reason I don't like her, now that I think about it. Jake is anything but shallow! At the end of the last episode, he's quoted as saying "It's not about sex appeal, it's about HEART appeal". Even her nurturing during the bungee jump was calculated, I think. She's "all about me", and once put to the long-term relationship test, I think she would fall apart as soon as it got a little tough and required real work to keep the relationship together. And, she's the least physically attractive of the whole lot, in my not-so-humble-opinion. I could go on, but I won't. :winkgrinQuote:
Originally Posted by tbamom;3808432;
I've liked Vienna from the beginning. She came across as a ditsy, spoilt, rich little daddy's girl, immature, etc..I try not to judge people until I get to know more about them. Based on what I've viewed of the show so far, I have yet to see a reason why the other girls are ganging up on her. It would be interesting to see what really goes on in the Bachelor house.
I get the impression that she's a good person, she's honest, assertive & blunt, she speaks her mind which sometimes lands her into trouble. I'm on team Vienna!
I see the connection between Jake & Vienna. But I'm not sure she's mature enough or ready for that kind of commitment.
I think Gia, Correy or Tenley are better suited for him. JMO!
Poor Jake. I never thought I would be saying that! But those girls are really bringing the drama to him. I think the women are turning him against Vienna a bit. But they have a strong connection and he doesn't want to dismiss her based on what others have said.
With all this hate, I have to say Vienna is a strong woman able to carry her ground. Group pressure can influence people to do untold things, especially if the hate is magnified to the umpth degree. When Jesse and Ashleigh left, they left with parting words of hate towards Vienna instead of forlorn feelings of lost from Jake. But was it pointedly their issue? In the beginning we see it's more Ali's issue and then compounding from there.
Take for example Hitler. He was able to sway a whole country into a false sense of pride and hate. It was the group spirit that made individuals enact out actions that, without the furor and hype and presence, were unthinkable.
The girls are basically trying to narrow their anger at some cause which in effect, blinds them to the real reason they're there. If Ali leaves next week, it's obviously apparent that she is only on one mission and distracted for being there for the real process and in the end, I'm sorry, is her fault for not getting herself mentally in control of a situation that was not in her hands, nor should be.
Promoting hate will not get anyone closer to their goal. I really have to give Vienna credit because she is being herself and being happy and was sorry at one point, but obviously it's not good enough. So she has to fight for her reasons for being there by concentrating on her relationship with Jake. The hateful girls should have taken a lesson in that.
Shades of Juan and Dave from the bach'ette. Placing them in close quarters and competing for love. It just spells these cat (or dog) fights every time!
I have tried to like Vienna, but she lacks the "Carrie Underwood" image and personna Jake said he wanted. "Carrie Underwood rose to fame as the winner of American Idol. a multi-platinum selling recording artist, a multiple Grammy Award winner, was inducted into the Grand Ole Opry, is a two-time Academy of Country Music and Country Music Association Female Vocalist winner, and was the entertainer of the year." Aside from her physical appearance, Carrie Underwood is a very ambitious and talented person. Vienna is edited as being ditzy. So...how does Vienna match Jake?
OMG...I love your post. It took a lot of courage and guts to stand at that last rose ceremony and hear the hate spewed from Ali's mouth. It is my opinion that yes, Vienna, probably annoyed them initially; but once they ganged up on her with Ali in the lead she didn't back down and that just pissed them off even more. I give her credit there. I have a tween daughter and I see that behavior type of behavior everyday with little girls one leader with her followers making life miserable for those they deem beneath them. It's sad how some girls (and men) never grow out of that type of behavior. I cannot stand girls or people like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by surpriseending;3810976;
Okay, when I saw this pic of Vienna, I was disgusted. redirect Just wanted to share in case you hadn't seen/heard. She posed topless (though covered) in some pin-up calendar, and the photo just got leaked.
It seems odd to me that two of the reported top 3 girls (Gia and now Vienna) would model in photos like this. Just doesn't "seem like" the type of girl Jake would go for.
But really, what do I know?