"The drama does come from
the drama that a lot of newlyweds go through in moving into a house and thinking about starting a family that sort of thing," Giuliana Rancic said. "No, we're not trash TV. ... I feel like people don't want to see that much anymore."
Can that be true? Is America really turning its back on trash TV, or are the Rancics just kidding themselves?
"Well, I think if you look at the ratings, I think they're kidding themselves," said Mike Fleiss, who knows a little something about successful reality shows.
His long list of trashy successes includes "Shocking Behavior Caught on Tape," "Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionare?," "Are You Hot?" "The Bachelor," "Hitched or Ditched" and "There Goes the Neighborhood."
"The big shows are still the ones that give you the high-octane drama," Fleiss said. "And I don't think that's ever going to change. I don't know how you would dial that down.
"What do you want? Just to be sort of milky and soft? I think that it doesn't necessarily have to be a train wreck, but some sort of bumping is good because you need conflict in all storytelling. And I think that that applies to reality, too."