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    I kept trying to give Jason the benefit of the doubt, but I am sorry I can't buy the "I did what was right thing". IMO, Jason acted without integrity when he proposed to Melissa when he was so conflicted to begin with, he did not bring Melissa the honesty she was due as his "chosen one".
    To break up with her on TV, was an act that was an aimed barb full of humiliation, not an action of a man who cared about others.
    Then on top of all of that, to carry on with Molly on that same couch that Melissa just left was incredibly self centered, selfish, and uncaring!
    No, Jason, you have lost all the respect and good feelings I ever had about you.
    Molly's hot oil massage was so close to soft porn, totally distasteful, and she wonders why her morals are questioned?
    Didn't care for the hot tub scene with Jillian either. This show is getting too graphic IMO. I wish they would clean up the act on more than one level!

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    Re: 3/03 ATFR2 Discussion **spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Katydyd;3365631;
    Watching that recap...They have clearly discussed this before. Yes, Jason screwed up when he asked her to marry him without being sure...but c'mon, the bachelor does it every season (except for two). We're just actually seeing the inevitable break-up this time. Only difference is, this time the bachelor chose to date his "second choice." Yeah he's a jerk, but I don't think he deseves the complete villification he's getting.
    He is a weak man, simple minded, shallow and dull, but he is not the personification of evil he is being made out to be. Yes, his choice of doing things the Fleiss mandated way was wrong (Charlie is proof that you don't have to obey the Fleiss if you have the balls not to), but seriously, what should he have done in order to make the general populace happy? Go ahead and marry a women it turns out he had nothing in common with? But then, I also thought that Brad did the most sensible thing in his season. I guess if I were in the same situation I would do what was right for me, not what was right for a herd of people looking for a "fairytale".
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    Quote Originally Posted by finalefan;3365692;
    There goes Chris making the point again that Molly and Jason didn't see each other after the FRC.

    Did you hear that America? They didn't see each other! Promise! Swear! Would we lie to you?

    (fingers crossed)
    Well, under the right circumstances, you can have a lot of fun when you're blindfolded ...

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    I noticed that again CH they hadn't SEEN each other, not that they had not communicated. (Jason and Molly) also did you notice Jason described the two of them as "partners in crime" what the heck? I find that an interesting way to put it. There just doesn't seem to be an ounce of remorse on Jason's part. He did not seem that uncomfortable with what ABC "forced" him to do on TV. I recall Brad seeming so uncomfortable with dealing with Deanna on the after show and they were already done. I just think Jason has some ice water in his veins.

    I do not blame him for breaking up with Melissa. I don't think most posters are.
    Its the way he went about it, his lack of backbone dealing with ABC. His proposing to Melissa when he obviously was still very very in to Molly.

    I have never liked the guy much. I don't know him and I am sure he is an okay guy. But he was not able to deal with the pressures of this show, the production staff, etc. I think the main reason is because he was perfectly willing to be a pawn and do whatever they asked. I don't think it was all a set up. I think CH and co did think it was Melissa from the beginning.

    I do think they knew on the final day he couldn't make up his mind and very much encouraged him to choose Melissa or someone and he was too mushy to say I can't.

    In hindsight I think he has convinced himself he did want to marry Melissa that last day but is really just lying to himself.

    As for Molly. I do think she reacted a little strangely but if I were here I would have had to say at least on ATFR2 that "I feel very badly for Melissa and I wish her the best." Perhaps the TPTB forbid any mention of her, I don't know.

    Course most people would think she was just giving lip service but for me I would have to say it.

    I am not really sure I believe those emails are real, but if they are Jason is a worse putz than I thought. Clearly if they are true he did not have the cajones to talk to Melissa about what he was feeling. Surely he did email/talk to Molly all along.

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    Rattus
    He is a weak man, simple minded, shallow and dull, but he is not the personification of evil he is being made out to be.
    Exactly why Moilly will dump him, as evil is MUCH MORE INTERESTING!

    Jason is a balding (he has a tortured "forelock") doofus with a dull real life.

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    From day one when they showed Jason on D's season I knew I wasn't going to be rooting for him, and I was surprised he made the cut to be on the show. It was obvious the hook was "ty." I was willing to be surprised and end up liking him but nothing he did on D's show swayed from my original reaction.
    He just oozes boring, less than average looking and wishy washy and victim like.

    He was a victim-his wife left him, he stated that more than once on D's season. All he ever talked about was Ty and golf. Nothing else in his life. Oh yeah Mommy's boy too.

    He has some terribly annoying mannerisms. (chin grab, butt wiggle, almost baby talking, closing one eye while talking, etc) He is no catch. The fact that Jillian, Molly, Melissa and maybe even Naomi fell for him amazes me and makes you realize how much this show manipulates the ladies emotions.

    In the real world not one of these ladies would take a second look at Jason.

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    Molly what a fake.. her being surprised like she wasnt expecting it.. it was bad acting.. and Jason is a loser... Jillian is dumb for coming back on the show next season.. They will set her up and destroy her.....

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    when Jillian said she wants to marry her best friend, jason said something to the fact that he doesnt want to marry his best friend it has to be more.. now on tv he is saying molly is his best friend blah blah loser. When Ty was having a great time with Mellissa that should of been his dicision right there.

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    Re: 3/03 ATFR2 Discussion **spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc;3366620;
    According to Chris Harrison Mel went to the AFRC thinking they would be talking wedding dates, but I guess was told back stage.
    That is incorrect. This is what Chris told EOnline:

    Melissa Knew: "Melissa obviously knew [about the breakup]," Harrison clarifies. "She was not blindsided. She didn't think everything was great and show up that day to talk about the wedding date and then realize she was going to be dumped. She was pissed and angry, but she wasn't blindsided. Not that it makes it any better for anybody, and I totally understand why people are still mad, but she wasn't the complete unsuspecting little lamb that you might think."

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    Re: 3/03 ATFR2 Discussion **spoilers**

    My take.

    They probably placed the late call for audience members once they knew for sure that Melissa wouldn't show up. They also brought in the six contestants to fill the air time she would have used had she been there.

    The "letter" was a flat card. IF her words, perhaps they came in the form of an email and sentences TPTB wanted to use were copied out on the card.

    Jason keeps trying to fall on a sword but his ego won't let him.

    Chris protested once again that Molly and Jason hadn't met during the time of his engagement to Melissa. Perhaps too much or perhaps contact was limited to phone calls, text and email? This part will probably remain foggy.

    Melissa, in her few sentences, claims to have gotten over the heartbreak part fairly quickly. In the six weeks since the ATFR filming and Part Two, anyway. Molly claims to have remained heartbroken for the six weeks between the FRC and the ATFR. I guess Molly wins the, "I'm so in love with this guy I can't eat" award...therefore, she wins the "prize" for emotional sincerity. Blech.

    There was an awfully LOOONNNNGGGG pause while Jason and Molly tried to think of where they first fell in love before the "tent" was shouted from the audience with prompting from Chris. Planned? Duh.

    The outtake at the credit roll of them meeting in secret is open to interpretation. Was it before January 18th, or after? AND that remains the BIG question despite Chris repeating his mantra like a litany.
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