3/03 ATFR2 Discussion **spoilers**

[Nova14]

Maybe I'm crazy..especially since I don't personally know Jillian...but I can't really see her bowing down to the great powers that be. I think the girl will stick up for herself and not just let them plow right on over her. The girl is a smart cookie. She has the potential to make it an interesting/fun season just by being herself and from her own creativity. They need to just hand her own show over to her and let her be the puppet master for once. I'm pretty sure she would not disappoint on her own terms. I mean..the girl rolled up this season and wowed America with a hot dog theory. Come on now. You can't ask for anything better than that. Let Jillian run her own show..I guarantee it would be a wild ride.

Agreed on all counts. She smart, classy, fun and together. Her maturity will serve her well. They won't be able to manipulate her like they did Jason. She'll do great.

[CheerMeUp]

I have a real hard time listening to Jason say he had to follow his heart and this was all about being honest with everyone. I can understand following his heart and being honest, but you don't do that in a way that publically humiliates another person. If "things changed" he should have discussed it with Mel and ended the relationship in private. This is what makes me believe that he does not have a moral compass. How do you do that to a person....let alone one that you say you had such strong feelings for? I can not imagine that his family is proud of his actions, specifically after how they were so protective of him being hurt again. I am sick of hearing him say, I had to follow my heart, what did people want me to do...lead her on, I did what was right for everyone. Well not everyone Jason! You are right you needed to follow your heart and not lead Mel on....but help me understand how it was "right" for you to dump her on national television? I also can't understand how you can sit there and say that you are proud of how you handled yourself and you would tell Tye that??? Also, if you honestly think that we all believe that you did not have any contact with Molly during your engagement, I have a really big bridge to sell you!! The fact that within minutes of "dumping" Mel, you and Molly had your hands all over each other and your toungs down each other. You practically pulled her on top of you on the couch. Come on....you do this within minutes of destroying Mel on TV? Again, where is your moral compass....your Mother can not be a proud woman right now! I sure would not be

Now for Molly saying people have questioned her morals....well, did she not see the show?? I was shocked at how sexual and forward she was with him all the time, from the very beginning. Far more than the other girls. I guess in the end that is what Jason wanted and Molly sure fit the bill on that one! That scene where she "highjacked" the date for their little massage, was just short of soft porn. I had to change the channel quickly because it was totally inappropriate for my daughter to see. My daughter shot me a look of.....WHAT??? I have several sons in their twentys and they saw the scene and all just cracked up and said....SKANK!! Their word......not mine. They also said it was clear that she was a woman that used sex to get what she wanted. So, Molly, you WON. That was your clear objective from the get go and I hope that you, your family and friends are happy with how it turned out. If I were your Mother, I would be cralwing under a rock right now!

[Nova14]

People will question your morals when you have been cheating. The more they deny the more guilty they looked. Molly putting her hand on his thigh and making out with him right after solidied this was a done deal. She'll be the agressor but I guess that works for them.

Jason sounded like a bufoon. No one thinks you have intergrity when you do a break up on tv. That was a bad angle to take. He should have just said it was very sad and he's so sorry for the pain he caused and not make excuses or try to make himself more noble. It would have gone over much better. Instead he made it all about him and how wonderful he is. The Mr. Nice Guy image is gone now.

[gagi]

I have a real hard time listening to Jason say he had to follow his heart and this was all about being honest with everyone. I can understand following his heart and being honest, but you don't do that in a way that publically humiliates another person. If "things changed" he should have discussed it with Mel and ended the relationship in private. This is what makes me believe that he does not have a moral compass. How do you do that to a person....let alone one that you say you had such strong feelings for? I can not imagine that his family is proud of his actions, specifically after how they were so protective of him being hurt again. I am sick of hearing him say, I had to follow my heart, what did people want me to do...lead her on, I did what was right for everyone. Well not everyone Jason! You are right you needed to follow your heart and not lead Mel on....but help me understand how it was "right" for you to dump her on national television? I also can't understand how you can sit there and say that you are proud of how you handled yourself and you would tell Tye that??? Also, if you honestly think that we all believe that you did not have any contact with Molly during your engagement, I have a really big bridge to sell you!! The fact that within minutes of "dumping" Mel, you and Molly had your hands all over each other and your toungs down each other. You practically pulled her on top of you on the couch. Come on....you do this within minutes of destroying Mel on TV? Again, where is your moral compass....your Mother can not be a proud woman right now! I sure would not be

Now for Molly saying people have questioned her morals....well, did she not see the show?? I was shocked at how sexual and forward she was with him all the time, from the very beginning. Far more than the other girls. I guess in the end that is what Jason wanted and Molly sure fit the bill on that one! That scene where she "highjacked" the date for their little massage, was just short of soft porn. I had to change the channel quickly because it was totally inappropriate for my daughter to see. My daughter shot me a look of.....WHAT??? I have several sons in their twentys and they saw the scene and all just cracked up and said....SKANK!! Their word......not mine. They also said it was clear that she was a woman that used sex to get what she wanted. So, Molly, you WON. That was your clear objective from the get go and I hope that you, your family and friends are happy with how it turned out. If I were your Mother, I would be cralwing under a rock right now!

Great post, CheerMeUp! And

[CheerMeUp]

One last thing.....Jason, I would have liked to have seen you stand up to the producers and be a man. Saying that you "had to do this" is a cop out. We have never had a Bachelor/ette break up on screen. Everyone else had enough respect for the person to not destroy them on TV. You need to grow a spin and own up to your part in this game! You could have gotten what you wanted in the end without doing it on screen.....again, where is your moral compass? Is this what you teach Tye....as long as you follow your heart and you are honest, it does not matter who you hurt along the way, as long as you get what you want in the end it is OK??

[a3boymom]

At least Jason was honest up front... all of the other breakups were done behind the scene so does everyone really believe that Jason is the only heartbreaker of them all?? What about BOB? JEN SCHEFT? TRAVIS? I really don't get all the bashing. I can only image how confusing it is for these people to develop major feelings for more than one person then have to choose at the end. I completely understand how away from the drama of the show and spending real life time together his head would clear and realize what he did. I guess he would have been less hated if he had just broken it off and contacted Molly behind the scenes. IDK... I give him kudos for being honest (and he had already talked to Mel on the phone about this so she knew and didn't have to show up).

[barbell]

West Coasters, do not waste your time on this ATFR2. You will not be able to get that hour of your life back. Do something more exciting, like, I don't know, pretty much ANYTHING

Thanks to all of you who endured this tonight and posted. You have saved me from watching it. I think I'm done with TPTB and their shows...Just can't stomach the cr*p anymore.

[moondust222]

I think when he said that, he was WAY underestimating how angry the viewers are at how this happened. I can't see that the audience would be large enough (or interested enough) to watch Jason and Molly...they got their big ratings with the finale, but it caused them to lose any chance at a wedding show.

I will be surprised if there is a wedding though...unless Molly is too proud to admit she won the booby prize. She might just go through with one simply to avoid having to say she was wrong.

After things cool off a little, if there is a televised wedding of Jason/Molly, it could have a huge viewing audience just because people like weddings. However, if I were Jason/Molly, I would probably give practically no news at all while under contract and if they decide to get married, I hope the public will never know. I think they are under contract for a year, but after that, their life should be their own and I suspect they will be very glad.

[moondust222]

I have a real hard time listening to Jason say he had to follow his heart and this was all about being honest with everyone. I can understand following his heart and being honest, but you don't do that in a way that publically humiliates another person. If "things changed" he should have discussed it with Mel and ended the relationship in private. This is what makes me believe that he does not have a moral compass. How do you do that to a person....let alone one that you say you had such strong feelings for? I can not imagine that his family is proud of his actions, specifically after how they were so protective of him being hurt again. I am sick of hearing him say, I had to follow my heart, what did people want me to do...lead her on, I did what was right for everyone. Well not everyone Jason! You are right you needed to follow your heart and not lead Mel on....but help me understand how it was "right" for you to dump her on national television? I also can't understand how you can sit there and say that you are proud of how you handled yourself and you would tell Tye that??? Also, if you honestly think that we all believe that you did not have any contact with Molly during your engagement, I have a really big bridge to sell you!! The fact that within minutes of "dumping" Mel, you and Molly had your hands all over each other and your toungs down each other. You practically pulled her on top of you on the couch. Come on....you do this within minutes of destroying Mel on TV? Again, where is your moral compass....your Mother can not be a proud woman right now! I sure would not be

Now for Molly saying people have questioned her morals....well, did she not see the show?? I was shocked at how sexual and forward she was with him all the time, from the very beginning. Far more than the other girls. I guess in the end that is what Jason wanted and Molly sure fit the bill on that one! That scene where she "highjacked" the date for their little massage, was just short of soft porn. I had to change the channel quickly because it was totally inappropriate for my daughter to see. My daughter shot me a look of.....WHAT??? I have several sons in their twentys and they saw the scene and all just cracked up and said....SKANK!! Their word......not mine. They also said it was clear that she was a woman that used sex to get what she wanted. So, Molly, you WON. That was your clear objective from the get go and I hope that you, your family and friends are happy with how it turned out. If I were your Mother, I would be cralwing under a rock right now!

You all didn't remember the steamy scene where Jullian had her legs wrapped around Jason in the hot tub? I suspect Molly was thrilled to see Jason again and know she would get to spend time getting to know him and I totally understand even if I am a senior citizen!

[n4692u]

I saw that and thought it was great that she spoke up like she did. I agree with everything she said.

What did Trista say about the "situation" or can you point me to the article? I think she was a Mel fan.