Why mad at Jason and not ABC/Fleiss?

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Originally Posted by AvalonR;3363032;

Personally, I'm fine with Jason having a change of heart, even if he did propose. He's entitled to his feelings. But I have to say, that ATFR was a total disgrace. Getting 'physical' with Molly the way he did was just so insensitive and uncalled for. Both should be ashamed of themselves.

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Therein lies the crux of the matter. Jason said the "chemistry" changed for him with Melissa. My father in law cracked me up telling us when he started dating after his wife died that he would never buy a pair of shoes without trying them on!!!! Perhaps Jason should have tried the shoes on before proposing.:rofl

I think that Jason showed incredibly poor taste (and that's putting it mildly) in what he did. Regardless of the contract and its' contents, he did WORSE to Melissa than was ever done to him by Deanna. Deanna allegedly let him get down on his knee to propose; he actually did propose and was engaged, then allowed the breakup to occur on national television. THEN he sucked face with the true "love of his life", again on national television.
If ABC and MF think this was "entertainment", they are crazy. I don't think that they expected the backlash they are getting this morning about this show and how it ended. As far as I am concerned, Jason and Molly should move to a deserted island to live because they will have no peace going forward. He's always going to be the one who dumped Melissa on national television, and she's always going to be the one who will be "sloppy seconds".

Can anyone point me to a post or report or interview where Jason "comes up smelling like a rose." ? Haven't quite seen that yet. IMO he smells alright, but, a rose doesn't come to mind.

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Originally Posted by bdelregi;3363165;

Can anyone point me to a post or report or interview where Jason "comes up smelling like a rose." ? Haven't quite seen that yet. IMO he smells alright, but, a rose doesn't come to mind.

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:omg After watching Jason last night I smell a rat how about you?

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Originally Posted by bdelregi;3363165;

Can anyone point me to a post or report or interview where Jason "comes up smelling like a rose." ? Haven't quite seen that yet. IMO he smells alright, but, a rose doesn't come to mind.

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I believe someone on this board said (last week) that that comment was not made at all, it was a rumour that took on a life of it's own.

Why mad at Jason??!! Of course he had a choice as to how he conducted himself. All one has to do is look back at Brad Womack (sp). CH asked Jason last night if he had seen or talked to Molly since NZ. When he answered he fidgeted, and couldn't look CH in the eye...all signs of lying.

It disturbed me that Melissa had to take the dreaded "losers" ride in the limo. She already won...!!! She should had been treated with much more dignity. She didn't do anything to cause the breakup. And of course, WHY on TV?? I'm disturbed with Fleiss' and ABC too.

Does anyone think Molly can win an 'Emmy' for Realty TV? She has power over Jason, therefore controls him. That was plain to me when he broke it off with her. At that point, I thought (hoped) what we 'heard' was wrong, and he was going to tell Melissa he just wanted to date, and see where it goes. But he didn't, and he COULD HAVE!!!

My 'gut' is telling me Molly and Jason were in contact early on. If Jason was telling truth, and he didn't see or hear from Molly, why go on about her being on his mind...etc. Furthermore, Melissa seemed to know 'about' Molly, how much she knew, we didn't hear yet... At FRC Jason seemed confident in his decision, or said he was, until he spoke with Molly...after that, he fell apart...(he'd never win the Emmy). He's always falling apart, then he throws Melissa, America's Favorite under the bus...

why...so abc will have good ratings? (Maybe, but their ratings are good). To put another feather in Fleiss', the Indian Chiefs cap? (from what I hear, rolls eyes, yes) Because Jason is unstable, and indecisive...he disregards fiance, who loves him...I believe he very well can be a liar and a cheat...

Of course, ABS, and Fleiss played dirty...but Jason...despicable!!

But Jason was after Brad so I am sure the contract states to play out the story that is dictated to you. I think we are not giving him any credit at all because we see his face and we want to blame someone. I feel that he was devastated by hurting Molly because he actually loved her. I feel he hated having to hurt Melissa, but in lieu of being sued for breach of contract had to play along. I don't know about Jason, but I do not have five million dollars sitting around to pay ABC for not abiding by my contract. I will give him a little credit and not throw him under the bus just because a woman got hurt by the reality of reality tv. I think he seems like a genuinely nice guy who got into a situation over his head. I think all of us would jump at the chance to be on tv, and he chose to, and is now paying the price for being used by the industry. Someone show me something anything that states that he had a choice other than someone just saying he did, and I will gladly say he is slime, but I believe with all my belief that this guy had no choice due to the contract.

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ABC/Fleiss are in the business of producing TV shows that will generate advertising revenue. It's commerce, plain and simple. How they do it pretty much does not matter. Their JOB is to create shows that media buyers will pay a lot of money to place ads. It might be a sporting event, a reality show, a successful sitcom, or an exclusive interview with Sophia Lauren....doesn't matter. I don't think Mike Fleiss is an evil human being, I think he is merely somebody who has a job (producer) and gets paid to do it well. End of.

Jason is not an actor. He is not a participant in a game show. This is not his livelihood. He is an adult, a parent (as we are reminded ad nauseum) who ultimately has the choice as to how he wants to behave. We keep hearing about "contracts" and "$5M"...remember on Jesse Palmer's season, that one woman (who happened to actually be a lawyer) did NOT come on the WTA show because of how poorly she was edited? Apparently she got away with it. Both Kate and Tina from the Andy Baldwin season have spoken out about what went on behind the scenes of their filming, and no news of any $5M lawsuits. Most striking of all, Brad Womack has said he was contractually obligated to have a FRC, which he did. He just did not propose to anyone or even give out a final rose. He had the ceremony but he told both women he did not love them and did not want to marry them. Oh, and Megan gave an interview to Reality Steve.

So in summation, hiding behind the "I had to do it because of the contract" is total BS. Jason handed over to ABC/Fleiss Melissa's dignity on a silver platter. I believe he could have said "no" but chose not to because he's a wimp, a wuss, and a p**sy.

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Originally Posted by Rustina;3363069;

I don't think there's any question whatsoever that Jason thought Melissa would be okay, at the point when the scheme to pick her and then dump her was first brought forward to him (at F5, according to RS's latest source). I believe that a little light bulb probably clicked on in his head: "This is kind of like what happened with me and DeAnna; although she didn't pick me, and I was hurt, now I've moved on - and look! Everyone loves me and I'm about to ride off happily into the sunset with my own choice! Melissa will be fine, and then she'll get to be the next Bachelorette, so it's okay. She'll only be hurt for a little while. She'll understand when it's her turn."

The problem I have with him is his decision to continue to do what Fleiss was telling him to - when he could see that Melissa was in it for real while he knew that he was just playing along for appearances; when he was going behind her back with Molly (whether he saw Molly or spoke to her is just semantics, Harrison); when Fleiss wanted him to break up with Melissa on camera even though the contract (as per sdl) doesn't say that was required. And I have a problem with the sheer gall that it took to start making out with Molly on the couch at AFTR practically before Melissa's limo had even hit the first stoplight on her way out of there.

How could he be so STUPID as to not have any idea how any of that would feel to Melissa? How could he be so STUPID as to not realize how any of that would look to anyone watching? How could he be so STUPID as to not consider how his son might see this in the years to come? In my opinion, he's not. I think he could see exactly what was going on, but since he's a coward, he chose to bury his head in the sand and believe Fleiss's lies that it would all be okay in the end. And when it became painfully clear that it was not, in fact, okay, rather than say, "contract or no contract, Fleiss, this ain't hapening," he was a good little soldier and did exactly what he was told. He is the epitome of self-centered. I believe someone in another thread called him a narcissist. Sounds about right to me.

The only teeny tiny bit of percentage of a sliver of pity that I might have had for him comes from the fact that HE'S the one now being hung out to dry by the media, HE'S the one having to do the circuits and answer the questions and be the butt of the jokes, and HE'S the one now realizing that HE'LL be considered to be responsible for this mess. I could almost see the comprehension dawning on his face on Kimmel last night. "Huh, this is not quite how I'd been led to believe it would be." Today, when it's too late to do anything about it, the golden boy is starting to get a little tarnished. And he doesn't like it. Boo-effing-hoo.

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Very well said! :clap

I'm not mad at him, I'm laughing at Jason and I would like to publicly thank him for bawling over the balcony. Best.TV.in.a.long.time! Jason is a pathetic, whiny little bitch but then he was that during DeAnna's season already. Not much has changed except he's now gotten even whinier. If he breaks down crying again tonight, I'm emailing ABC a virtual box of chocolates. If he bawls on Ellen too... well, that will just be pure gold!