Bachelor 12 Media Thread

[casualfan]

Originally Posted by catn3d

I watch the AVP (well, whenever I'm flipping channels and see that it's on) and...does she know anything about volleyball? All the announcers I've ever heard know what they're talking about.

Beach volleyball is awesome! Those that compete are in amazing physical condition. I'm sure that Chelsea does know a lot about it, they wouldn't hire her without some knowledge. She is a beach girl, so she'll definitely be in her element! I did ask some of her friends (sunshinecali) at one point if she played a college sport in the Chelsea spoilers thread during the airing of the season, but I don't think they responded. She always reminded me of some of my athlete friends and family, that's why I asked.

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[Zao]

Originally Posted by casualfan

I'm lost! Does it really mean something different in the UK?

The sign has two different meanings (just learned that today thanks to the power of Google ).

Peace - popularized in the US
Derogatory - UK

Who knew?

[casualfan]

Originally Posted by Zao

The sign has two different meanings (just learned that today thanks to the power of Google ).

Peace - popularized in the US
Derogatory - UK

Who knew?

Thanks Zao, I had no idea! Hopefully Shayne keeps her peace sign under wraps when she's over in London in a month or two

[catn3d]

Originally Posted by casualfan

Beach volleyball is awesome! Those that compete are in amazing physical condition. I'm sure that Chelsea does know a lot about it, they wouldn't hire her without some knowledge. She is a beach girl, so she'll definitely be in her element! I did ask some of her friends (sunshinecali) at one point if she played a college sport in the Chelsea spoilers thread during the airing of the season, but I don't think they responded. She always reminded me of some of my athlete friends and family, that's why I asked.

She must! I'll have to look out for her.

I root for Misty Matt and Kerri Walsh

[Jasmine305]

Regarding Shayne's gesture, If here palm was facing out when she gave the sign it would of been a peace sign. But, because the back of her hand was facing the camera (or a backwards peace sign) it takes on a whole different meaning in England.

[Turtlekeeper]

Originally Posted by Zao

The sign has two different meanings (just learned that today thanks to the power of Google ).

Peace - popularized in the US
Derogatory - UK

Who knew?

You're right.. here's what it said when I googled..

PALM-BACK V SIGN
Gesture: The peace sign, but reversed so the palm faces the recipient
Location: Jolly 'Ole England

If an American was visiting England and saw someone give them the palm-back V sign, they'd probably mutter, "Damn hippies". Yet the Englishman wasn't offering a symbol of peace, but instead telling you, "up your bum!".

In the British Isles, the palm-back V sign has the same meaning as the finger, but with a cockney accent. It's use can be traced back to the 16th century, but it's hard to pin down. Whether it was first used as a variant of the cuckold's devil's horns, or as a variant of the more ancient middle finger, but with some extra fingers thrown in to make it that much more painful is unknown.

[Amberish]

Originally Posted by luvlady345

After reading Chelsea's lastest interview, I can say now that I am convinced that the rumors started from them. There was another actress on this season, but they pointed out Shayne, because in their minds Chelsea was denied the win, but I truly believe that if Shayne wouldn't have been on this season that Robin probably would have won his heart.....If she had already decided that Matt wasn't the man for her and it soften her heart break, Why the rant in the limo?

I think it was after watching the show that Chelsea decided that Matt was not for her.

I find it interesting that until watching the show, both Amanda and Chelsea dismissed Shayne as a serious contender, especially given, after a certain point, Shayne repeatedly received the no hesitation first rose.

I hope Chelsea learns from this experience as she definitely has PDA issues, including not being able to look Matt in the eyes when expressing how important he was becoming to her ... very odd.

[jlccaz]

Originally Posted by Merritt Andrews

I agree. Also, Chelsea's mom kept referring it to a "competition", and said that Shayne had an advantage because she had "experience in front of the camera." Ok, exactly how would camera experience cause Matt to fall in love with Shayne over the other girls? I'm not sure I understand that logic.

I also could have told Chelsea in the very beginning of her "journey" that Matt was not the athletic type, and thus saved her lots of trouble and heartache. What I don't understand is how she could not see this herself when she was the one actually touching him (he always was a bit "pudgy" in my eyes! )

I think it says VOLUMES about both girls and their true values when you consider their comments about each other since the show ended. Shayne has been nothing but gracious towards Chelsea -- and considering Chelsea's outburst to Matt about her, she didn't have to be. Her thoughtful and kind comments about Chelsea ring true to the way Matt described Shayne during the show -- warm, loving and KIND.

I think Shayne has made some decisions that may not have been wise, but I have a feeling that she is the type that trusts people and tries to see the good in everyone (e.g. Mr. Girls Gone Wild.) She's just 22, and I think and hope she'll learn that not everybody is what she hopes they will be. However, I have YET to hear her utter an unkind word about ANYONE -- whether on the show or off.

Can't say the same for Chelsea, sorry to say. Also, if she is so adamant against a show business career, why take a job in TV broadcasting?

I think Matt made the right decision, and I hope their relationship stays on track and brings them both a lifetime of happiness.

WOW> Talk about the attempted Soviet history exercise.

The rumors started the day after the initial cocktail party (Jan 18), and if you look at the early posts, the rumors were initiated by staff members disgusted with gross departures from prior filming practices, summary discharge of Firedrake girls for daring to mention Matt's student film (which hurts the staffers who had hoped to travel to Barbados, etc with their assigned girls!), and special handling for Shayne.

Everything you needed to know about Bach Season 12 was in the public domain, and widely discussed on this board, by Feb 5th, the day Matt was announced and first appeared on Dance Wars.

Chelsea was occupied with filming -- and therefore sequestered -- through March 3rd. The "rumors" were firmly in place waaaaay before then. Way before. Nice try at slander though.

The only "camp" to have attempted an orchestrated manipulation of this and many many other boards was the F1's "team" and their penetration of the FORT was blunted by the early (pre Feb 5th) knowledge of Firedrake, Matt's true ambititions, and the special treatment Shayne received during filming.

I don't know whether F1 was a set up from the get go or just the way it turned out. None of us do. But I do know for a certainty that (to paraphrase Billy Joel) she didn't start the fire.

[scoobie]

Originally Posted by casualfan

I'm lost! Does it really mean something different in the UK?





Thanks for responding, scoobie, while I have a hard time comparing John McCain's captivity and Chelsea's captivity, I get what you mean about being "broken". These producers don't seem to stop until they acheive just that.

To me, Chelsea's comments clearly were directed at Matt for the most part. Some underlying insults of Shayne as well, but the more I think about it the more it just makes me sad for her. She still seems to be holding on to a fair amount of negativity and while she has positives to focus on, like friendships, family, etc, she just oozes bitterness. I really don't recall a F2 ever being as outright negative as it seems like she is, based on this article. I hope she does move on, find a man who is athletic and who is her lobster.

Oh and regarding her new job, which is awesome, I read this blog today that I found kind of funny. It's from a beach volleyball blog site.

FatSpike Beach Volleyball Blog - FatSpike Beach Volleyball Blog

Sounds like the writer took away the same feelings from the article that some here have.

I agree with you on the absurdity of moral equivalency between John McCain’s ordeals to those of a surrealistic TV show. I think we are on the same page that the mentioning of the esteemed senator was solely for highlighting the effectiveness of the producer’s techniques in eliciting from the contestants what they deemed as the required emotions to make the show interesting (Hey jlcaaz, please let me know if I am putting words in your mouth.) In fact, I believe that putting moral equivalency between any situations/characters from the show to those from our real life experience may be a bit vicarious.

Watching the reaction to this show has brought to mind a cousin of mine who in his teenage years was a huge WWF fanatic. He had this particular favorite wrestler to whom he had sworn undying loyalty. Any enemy of this guy would the enemy of my cousin. Believe me, I learned this first hand thorugh from the one time I tried to taunt him about this. Well, all was fine and dandy until the time when my uncle took him to catch a WWF tour in a nearby city. After the match, they returned to the hotel, and, lo and behold, my cousin saw in the lounge area his hero sitting there laughing and chatting with another wrestler who was supposed to be his sworn enemy. The realization on my cousin’s face, according to my uncle, was priceless. It was like that Norman Rockwell drawing of a boy discovering Santa’s suit in his father’s drawer. By no means I am here trying to imply that The Bachelor was staged in the same ways as the WWF (although there are some similarities like Vince McMahon wants blood in the ring while Mike Fliess wanting tears in the limo). The message I am trying to get across is that we should look at the whole thing with the proper perspective.

To a large degree, I think Fleiss has succeeded in his mission of putting on a show that would appeal to a broad spectrum of viewers. Those who wanted to see romance seems to have found it. Those who thought this is a fix certainly have seen enough elements of doubts peppered throughout the show. And those who felt this was a farce have…well…you fill in the blank. To only thing he has failed in doing, in my opinion, is delivering the goods to Mother ABC/Disney in the form of ratings. And as a self professed shareholder of Disney stock, this is the bone I would pick with Fleiss, who may well televise the wedding as a "Pay Per View".


PS: As something of an afterthought, I find it interesting that the notion of a “plant” has been focused entirely among the contestants. May I be so bold as to bring up a theory that the “plant” could be the persona of Matt Grant himself? Could he actually be an actor (not in the same league as Jude Laws or Clive Owens of course) recruited by Fleiss to portray this “global financier” looking for love across the pond? Could his on screen persona nothing but a Fleiss construction and his seemingly attractive family portrayed by actors and actresses?

This thought has entered my consciousness as I find it odd that so little vetting has been or could be done on him. As I have been told, most previous bachelors had returned to their “normal life” pretty much right after the show, including the much blessed Brad Womack. Yet, we find this guy rather vague about his post show activities. Hmm, conspiracy theories…

[paborn123]

Originally Posted by jlccaz

WOW> Talk about the attempted Soviet history exercise.

The rumors started the day after the initial cocktail party (Jan 18), and if you look at the early posts, the rumors were initiated by staff members disgusted with gross departures from prior filming practices, summary discharge of Firedrake girls for daring to mention Matt's student film (which hurts the staffers who had hoped to travel to Barbados, etc with their assigned girls!), and special handling for Shayne.

Everything you needed to know about Bach Season 12 was in the public domain, and widely discussed on this board, by Feb 5th, the day Matt was announced and first appeared on Dance Wars.

Chelsea was occupied with filming -- and therefore sequestered -- through March 3rd. The "rumors" were firmly in place waaaaay before then. Way before. Nice try at slander though.

The only "camp" to have attempted an orchestrated manipulation of this and many many other boards was the F1's "team" and their penetration of the FORT was blunted by the early (pre Feb 5th) knowledge of Firedrake, Matt's true ambititions, and the special treatment Shayne received during filming.

I don't know whether F1 was a set up from the get go or just the way it turned out. None of us do. But I do know for a certainty that (to paraphrase Billy Joel) she didn't start the fire.

We aren't privy to the prior posts as I do believe they are closed. I wouldn't like to think that the new FORT people would be intimidated to post their opinions. We haven't all been here as long.