Bevin - Bachelor 10

[Secret]

Originally Posted by ASassyKat

Excellent point. I think we can understand Andessa fans not wanting to believe the ILY's, and of course it's easy to say that Bevin is lying, because then Andy is not held accountable for his actions.

Andy should be held accountable for what he did on the show, and especially for declaring love to two women. I understand that Andessa fans want it to not be true and are trying to explain it all away, but it happened. Those circumstances can't be changed no matter how much one doesn't want to believe it.

Again it all boils down to Andy's self-absorbtion and his lack of judgment.

Fleiss had a choice on what to show us, if he were truly invested in the Andy/Tessa relationship then why show the ILY's to Bevin? We'd have been none the wiser if he had left them out.


Secret,

I don't believe that Bev answered the questions in a publc way. She answered questions from her fans on the Fan Club yahoo site, and it was taken out of there and posted everywhere else by fans from that site. She had no control over that at all.

Thanks for clearing that up ASassyKat. I thought they were posted on her Myspace. Either way, though, as you said, she has no control over her fans, but she knew that her fans (a part of the public) would read what she said, and would likely share it elsewhere IS putting things out there in the public, even if it was originally shared in a slightly more private setting. Just my personal take.

As to the comment bolded above, I agree that Fleiss including that part of Bevin's date was not the most 'supportive of Andy and Tessa's relationship' choice he could have made. But, at the end of the day, no matter how much he may like Andy, Tessa or Bevin as people, he wants the finale to have an 'a ha' moment at the end. Including the scenes where Andy told Bevin he loved her, the scenes where Andy's mom/grandma seemed to favor Bevin over Tessa were all included to keep people guessing until Bevin got out of the first limo...

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[aphijess]

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood2

I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not Bevin is telling truth but more of the intentions behind why she is still talking about it and dwelling on it. She could be humble and just say what happened, happened and really move on. I know the answers are to her fans, but I just feel if she really was supportive of Andy & Tessa she would be acting differently.

As for Andy being held accountable, the only one who really has to deal with what he did/said is Tessa. And if she is ok with it and still wants to be with him and build a life then I don't see why everyone else can't be. They are in love and are just letting the past be the past.

As for Fleiss he doesn't have a vested interest in anything except ratings.

Yes!!! ITA!

The thing that bothers me the most are the pictures on her myspace. I know it's a site for her fans, and it's fun to see all the candid and behind the scenes pictures after the fact, but there are some that just rub me the wrong way. I wish I could access myspace at work, but it's blocked so forgive me if I am paraphrasing. There is a picture of Andy and Bevin on one of their final dates and the caption reads: "It's hard to forget how happy I was" or something similar. Those things just aren't necessary IMO. The pictures like the one Andy, Tessa, and Bevin toasting at the F2 Rose Ceremony with the caption: "Having a drink with Andy and Tessa" are fine and harmless.

I guess I look at it this way: If my husband's (or fiance or boyfriend) ex had a myspace with all kinds of pictures of the two of them together I would be pretty upset that she wasn't moving on. I know this is a unique situation, but how would you all feel? It may not bother Tessa, but it sure would bother me. but like I stated, it's just my opinion.

[ldcook77]

Originally Posted by Secret

Thanks for clearing that up ASassyKat. I thought they were posted on her Myspace. Either way, though, as you said, she has no control over her fans, but she knew that her fans (a part of the public) would read what she said, and would likely share it elsewhere IS putting things out there in the public, even if it was originally shared in a slightly more private setting. Just my personal take.

Bevin's fans have asked time and again about the ILY's. Is she supposed to crawl in a corner and ignore them all b/c her "non-fans" will find it all inappropriate. TB was a big part of Bevin's life, too. She is perhaps still dealing with the emotions and feelings just as A/T are.

Yes, the show ended in March, but just as A/T weren't allowed to "celebrate their lurve", Bevin was not allowed to mourn and truly begin the healing process. She had no support system during those months between FRC and its airing, so she is still dealing with her feelings as well. People deal with heartache in different ways, and as long as she is not causing harm to A/T, I don't see any harm in her communicating with her fans at her fansite. It is not like she is posting this information on A/T's MySpace page or anything.

I don't understand why A/T and Bevin are held to such different standards. A/T appear all over the internet and media, it is to "support their cause and charities"...Bevin speaks to her "private" fanclub, and it is b/c she is a fameho???? I just don't get it.

[bevorules]

Originally Posted by Secret

As to the comment bolded above, I agree that Fleiss including that part of Bevin's date was not the most 'supportive of Andy and Tessa's relationship' choice he could have made. But, at the end of the day, no matter how much he may like Andy, Tessa or Bevin as people, he wants the finale to have an 'a ha' moment at the end. Including the scenes where Andy told Bevin he loved her, the scenes where Andy's mom/grandma seemed to favor Bevin over Tessa were all included to keep people guessing until Bevin got out of the first limo...

I totally agree with this part of your comment and Fleiss will continue to do this in future seasons (that is my warning to all of us who will root for one girl or another in a future season.) His goal is ratings and he feels that the "ha-moment" ending is the only way he can keep people hooked so he will always mislead, edit, and choose to show or not show moments to keep the suspense alive. Unfortunately for him, we can see through his bag of tricks and know the f1 early in the season, and so it just frustrates us as A) we want to see the love story unfold without too much of the "choppy edit" and B) It seems cruel to the f2 to me to rub salt in the wound that it isn't them and in some cases could be embarassing or demoralizing for them like in case of Matt and Bevin they probably shouldn't have shown us the "I want the ring" and "I love you" from their last chance dates to give them some dignity.

[ASassyKat]

Originally Posted by Secret

As to the comment bolded above, I agree that Fleiss including that part of Bevin's date was not the most 'supportive of Andy and Tessa's relationship' choice he could have made. But, at the end of the day, no matter how much he may like Andy, Tessa or Bevin as people, he wants the finale to have an 'a ha' moment at the end. Including the scenes where Andy told Bevin he loved her, the scenes where Andy's mom/grandma seemed to favor Bevin over Tessa were all included to keep people guessing until Bevin got out of the first limo...

I agree, Fleiss is the fan wanker of them all. He loves to lead us all on a merry dance every year, and every year we dance like fools. LOL

[jasmar]

Originally Posted by ASassyKat

Andy should be held accountable for what he did on the show, and especially for declaring love to two women. I understand that Andessa fans want it to not be true and are trying to explain it all away, but it happened. Those circumstances can't be changed no matter how much one doesn't want to believe it.

How and by whom? Maybe a new reality show: The Bachelor: Kangaroo Court. If I were a writer, I'd volunteer to recap!

ETA: It's actually not been a friendly discussion far too often. And the intensity seems a little odd to me, personally, at this stage of the game.

[Secret]

Originally Posted by ldcook77

Bevin's fans have asked time and again about the ILY's. Is she supposed to crawl in a corner and ignore them all b/c her "non-fans" will find it all inappropriate. TB was a big part of Bevin's life, too. She is perhaps still dealing with the emotions and feelings just as A/T are.

Yes, the show ended in March, but just as A/T weren't allowed to "celebrate their lurve", Bevin was not allowed to mourn and truly begin the healing process. She had no support system during those months between FRC and its airing, so she is still dealing with her feelings as well. People deal with heartache in different ways, and as long as she is not causing harm to A/T, I don't see any harm in her communicating with her fans at her fansite. It is not like she is posting this information on A/T's MySpace page or anything.

I don't understand why A/T and Bevin are held to such different standards. A/T appear all over the internet and media, it is to "support their cause and charities"...Bevin speaks to her "private" fanclub, and it is b/c she is a fameho???? I just don't get it.

I never called her a fameho and I never said she couldn't interact with her fans. I have said on other forums, where it has come up, that I am GLAD she has a place like her Myspace to interact with her fans and that they are being so supportive.

I'm not wishing ill will on Bevin, or saying that she needs to crawl into a corner and be quiet, I was just sayig that the way she answered that question was eyebrow raising to me as I've explained above. You may be right, she may never have talked about that issue on her Myspace/fan group/etc - whether Andy said I love you just during that date or many times before - if she hadn't been asked about it directly, apparently repeatedly, by her fans. That wasn't the way the original question I saw was worded, so I read it as volunteering that additional information without prompting.

[ldcook77]

Originally Posted by Secret

I never called her a fameho and I never said she couldn't interact with her fans. I have said on other forums, where it has come up, that I am GLAD she has a place like her Myspace to interact with her fans and that they are being so supportive.

I'm not wishing ill will on Bevin, or saying that she needs to crawl into a corner and be quiet, I was just sayig that the way she answered that question was eyebrow raising to me as I've explained above. You may be right, she may never have talked about that issue on her Myspace/fan group/etc - whether Andy said I love you just during that date or many times before - if she hadn't been asked about it directly, apparently repeatedly, by her fans. That wasn't the way the original question I saw was worded, so I read it as volunteering that additional information without prompting.

Sorry, not all of my post was in response to just you. I realized after I posted that it probably sounded like I thought you were calling her a fameho, which I didn't.

But, she does get labeled as such quite often (not necessarily by you), by the same people who find A/T's media seeking actions endearing, which I find as a double standard.

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As with Andy being labelled a cad because of the ILY. In the same token, Bevin can be labelled as fameho because of her continuous insistent for living in the past glory . The glory was over once she became F2 but her continuous dwelling and indirect hinting of whatever one-sided story she is dying to tell based on all her communication everywhere shows someone who might need some serious therapy.

The premise of the show require a F2 for drama, for ATFR, for tears. so SAD but so TRUE.

The show was over since Mar 14, it's been 3 months today. The glory belongs to the Bachelor and his F1.

[DoodleBug]

Originally Posted by aphijess

I was on myspace last night and noticed that Bevin (her fanpage) added "andyandtessa" as a friend. Does anyone know if Bevin herself owns that page? It seems like it with all the pictures and details about herself.

Personally I don't believe neither one of the sites were established by the displayed names. Never have a I seen so many "inside photos" floating around. This is just something that makes me go umm. Who knows may be the Fleiss-master wants to keep this going until he shocks and amazes us the next go round My question is do you honestly believe that Andy's Fan Site and andyandtessa (if this is even established by Andy or Tessa) would join a myspace site for Bevin? I don't and this reeks of publicity stunt to the highest degree