Bevin - Bachelor 10

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Originally Posted by girlsmom

I totally agree jasmar. Take a people pleaser like Andy put him in a situation when he HAS to hurt people's feelings, and string some along, add alcohol, keep him from being able to express him feelings as honestly as possible, then amp it up with sleeplessness and self-doubt as to the right people to keep from week to week and deprive him of a healthy balance of outside life and interactions with friends and family, then film that 24-7. I think his biggest problem was that he was too concerned about making the girls feel good about themselves. People that do this ultimately mislead others and cause more harm than good. Tessa needs to work with him on this trait. jmo

JMO this analogy is scary do the fact this man is a Doctor, he misleads others to make them feel better?

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[girlsmom]

Originally Posted by luvlady345

See that is another reason why I am not buying the earlier claims of loves from Bevin, I am willing to bet that it would have been shown to more confuse the 5% who thought Andy was going to chose Bevin then maybe it wouldn't have been so one sided on all the boards...

That's a great point luvlady. I look to things that make sense to me and it would make NO sense for the edit to exclude an early ILY to Bevin. The edit exists to mislead us. Also, I share your feelings and love statement "speechless, but not typeless"

Again, we all pick and choose what to believe, but I don't believe that just because somebody says something, uncollorated, that it is true. This is especially true of a fame ho. jmo

[ASassyKat]

I have no reason to doubt Bevin, as she was there and we were not.

I understand those not wanting to believe that Andy would do this to Bevin and then dump her. I get it, because it doesn't make him look good, and you want him to look good if you are an Andessa fan. I get it, really I do, but it doesn't erase what he did to Bevin.

I don't think posting pictures on her My Space that is set up for her fans from the show makes her a "fameho".

Andy has the most media attention of anyone on that show, with Tessa coming in second.

For what it's worth, I don't think Andy intentionally set out to hurt anyone. I think that he did not think ahead to what would be the consequences of telling two women that he loved them.

[ldcook77]

Originally Posted by ASassyKat

I have no reason to doubt Bevin, as she was there and we were not.

I understand those not wanting to believe that Andy would do this to Bevin and then dump her. I get it, because it doesn't make him look good, and you want him to look good if you are an Andessa fan. I get it, really I do, but it doesn't erase what he did to Bevin.

I don't think posting pictures on her My Space that is set up for her fans from the show makes her a "fameho".

Andy has the most media attention of anyone on that show, with Tessa coming in second.

For what it's worth, I don't think Andy intentionally set out to hurt anyone. I think that he did not think ahead to what would be the consequences of telling two women that he loved them.

I agree 100%. I don't think Andy thought..."hmmm..I am going to tell Bevin that I love her so she will be completely shredded when I dump her." But, Andy is a self-absorbed, egotistical person, and he only thought about himself. He was constantly seeking reassurance from the girls and never though twice about what his need to feel wanted and loved was doing to the girls or what impression he was given off.

This is not the first time that I have read/heard that he had said ILY to Bevin prior to the final date. I don't think Bevin really has anything to gain by "suddenly making this up" and lying about it. Her fans are her fans, and she certainly isn't gaining any new ones by saying that. Those that don't like her will only blast her more for it, so why would she lie? It just doesn't make sense.

Regarding being a fame ho...I think all three of them are to some extent. Heck, all 25 girls and HDA are famehos, IMO. After years and years of reality television ruling the networks, no one in their right mind would go on one of these shows within self-exposure being one of their major goals. Tessa admitted to going to the show for "the fun of it". She admittedly didn't go on the show to "look for love".

[luvlady345]

Originally Posted by ldcook77

I agree 100%. I don't think Andy thought..."hmmm..I am going to tell Bevin that I love her so she will be completely shredded when I dump her." But, Andy is a self-absorbed, egotistical person, and he only thought about himself. He was constantly seeking reassurance from the girls and never though twice about what his need to feel wanted and loved was doing to the girls or what impression he was given off.

This is not the first time that I have read/heard that he had said ILY to Bevin prior to the final date. I don't think Bevin really has anything to gain by "suddenly making this up" and lying about it. Her fans are her fans, and she certainly isn't gaining any new ones by saying that. Those that don't like her will only blast her more for it, so why would she lie? It just doesn't make sense.

Regarding being a fame ho...I think all three of them are to some extent. Heck, all 25 girls and HDA are famehos, IMO. After years and years of reality television ruling the networks, no one in their right mind would go on one of these shows within self-exposure being one of their major goals. Tessa admitted to going to the show for "the fun of it". She admittedly didn't go on the show to "look for love".

Really Bevin doesn't have anything to gain by claiming it now? When a woman feels like she has been scorned that's enough reason to mislead, to try to confuse an out right lie......So if you have read it before then it not suddenly made up, I still don't buy it.....

[ldcook77]

Originally Posted by aphijess

I was on myspace last night and noticed that Bevin (her fanpage) added "andyandtessa" as a friend. Does anyone know if Bevin herself owns that page? It seems like it with all the pictures and details about herself.

I don't think anyone knows for sure. She has a private site that is not TB related and then she has the one for her TB fans. And, in order for andyandtessa to be her friend, they must accept, or perhaps they added her.

[ldcook77]

Originally Posted by luvlady345

Really Bevin doesn't have anything to gain by claiming it now? When a woman feels like she has been scorned that's enough reason to mislead, to try to confuse an out right lie......So if you have read it before then it not suddenly made up, I still don't buy it.....

I am not say just b/c I had "heard" the news before makes it 100% fact. I am just saying she isn't "suddenly" making this up to extend her 15 minutes. I remember hearing/reading this right after AFR and there wasn't a big deal made about it then. No one doubted it then.

And, no, I don't see what she has to gain from a "public standpoint" by stating this on her fansite. Her fans, for the most part, already think Andy is an arsehat, and they already support her and feel sympathy for her. She doesn't have to say a word from this point forward, and her fans opinions of Andy will not change, IMO.

Andy telling her ILY b/f the F2 date and telling her to trust him is really that unbelievable? This coming from the same guy that many have defended as "living in the moment" and "not thinking about the implications of his words"????

I am 100% certain that had Fleiss chosen to not to show the ILY at all, that Andessa fans would be equally as adamant that that never happened either. I just cannot find a justifiable reason not to believe her other than not wanting to believe that Andy is as self-absorbed and self-serving as he really is, IMO.

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Well, ldcook77, the only place I read that Andy said I love you to Bevin before the final date was posted here by a person who was supposedly 'in the know' and posted multiple things in a single post about the show after the finale and never posted again. So, a 'big deal' wasn't really made of it because people really had absolutely no reason to believe this 'insider' unless they wanted to believe it.

I'll be honest, in all of this it is Tessa that I'm rooting for. If Andy makes her happy, and it looks like he does, I wish them both all of the best. But, I'm not going to try to excuse Andy's completely ham-handed, buffoonish behavior at using the 'love' word at all before the finale, let alone multiple times to more than one woman.

I don't disbelieve that what Bevin is saying is true. But I question why she feels the need to share all of that in such a public way? Perhaps it is cathartic for Bevin to answer these questions publicly, but IMO she IS being self-serving by giving those additional details. At this point, does it change anything? He screwed up majorly. I think he knows that. She says she's supportive of Andy and Tessa and wishes them the best. If that were the case, then she seriously needs to stop dwelling on the past, wish them well, REALLY leave it alone and move on with her life. Hopefully, now that that's all out there, she will.

[ASassyKat]

Originally Posted by ldcook77

Andy telling her ILY b/f the F2 date and telling her to trust him is really that unbelievable? This coming from the same guy that many have defended as "living in the moment" and "not thinking about the implications of his words"????

I am 100% certain that had Fleiss chosen to not to show the ILY at all, that Andessa fans would be equally as adamant that that never happened either. I just cannot find a justifiable reason not to believe her other than not wanting to believe that Andy is as self-absorbed and self-serving as he really is, IMO.

Excellent point. I think we can understand Andessa fans not wanting to believe the ILY's, and of course it's easy to say that Bevin is lying, because then Andy is not held accountable for his actions.

Andy should be held accountable for what he did on the show, and especially for declaring love to two women. I understand that Andessa fans want it to not be true and are trying to explain it all away, but it happened. Those circumstances can't be changed no matter how much one doesn't want to believe it.

Again it all boils down to Andy's self-absorbtion and his lack of judgment.

Fleiss had a choice on what to show us, if he were truly invested in the Andy/Tessa relationship then why show the ILY's to Bevin? We'd have been none the wiser if he had left them out.


Secret,

I don't believe that Bev answered the questions in a publc way. She answered questions from her fans on the Fan Club yahoo site, and it was taken out of there and posted everywhere else by fans from that site. She had no control over that at all.

[Lifeisgood2]

Originally Posted by ASassyKat

Excellent point. I think we can understand Andessa fans not wanting to believe the ILY's, and of course it's easy to say that Bevin is lying, because then Andy is not held accountable for his actions.

Andy should be held accountable for what he did on the show, and especially for declaring love to two women. I understand that Andessa fans want it to not be true and are trying to explain it all away, but it happened. Those circumstances can't be changed no matter how much one doesn't want to believe it.

Again it all boils down to Andy's self-absorbtion and his lack of judgment.

Fleiss had a choice on what to show us, if he were truly invested in the Andy/Tessa relationship then why show the ILY's to Bevin? We'd have been none the wiser if he had left them out.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not Bevin is telling truth but more of the intentions behind why she is still talking about it and dwelling on it. She could be humble and just say what happened, happened and really move on. I know the answers are to her fans, but I just feel if she really was supportive of Andy & Tessa she would be acting differently.

As for Andy being held accountable, the only one who really has to deal with what he did/said is Tessa. And if she is ok with it and still wants to be with him and build a life then I don't see why everyone else can't be. They are in love and are just letting the past be the past.

As for Fleiss he doesn't have a vested interest in anything except ratings.