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Thread: Sleuthing the final 15 ladies **Spoilers**

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    Re: Sleuthing the final 15 ladies **Spoilers**

    you may want to PM sdl as I'm sure he can clarify the distinction between reality tv people and actors and actresses who actually pay union dues to be a member of the SAG. I do remember it was an issue when reality TV came to be and since then a legal distinction was made - I just dont' know what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anders332;3833512;
    you may want to PM sdl as I'm sure he can clarify the distinction between reality tv people and actors and actresses who actually pay union dues to be a member of the SAG. I do remember it was an issue when reality TV came to be and since then a legal distinction was made - I just dont' know what it is.
    First I'd like to apologize for the quality of my english in the post that follows; I'm talking in terms I use at work everyday, in french so...

    I can't tell you exactly how it works in the US but I work labor relations in the entertainment industrie in Montreal. Here the "reality" show contestant are not covered by the colective agreements with UDA and ACTRA because their not acting; their being themselves. Any form or remunaration is passed of as "compensation" for loss of salary as oposed to an actual salary. I imagine it's very similar with SAG. And believe me, the unions are not liking this at all! I've been at a few negociation tables and they don't appreciate the loss of jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchieQC;3833590;
    First I'd like to apologize for the quality of my english in the post that follows; I'm talking in terms I use at work everyday, in french so...

    I can't tell you exactly how it works in the US but I work labor relations in the entertainment industrie in Montreal. Here the "reality" show contestant are not covered by the colective agreements with UDA and ACTRA because their not acting; their being themselves. Any form or remunaration is passed of as "compensation" for loss of salary as oposed to an actual salary. I imagine it's very similar with SAG. And believe me, the unions are not liking this at all! I've been at a few negociation tables and they don't appreciate the loss of jobs.
    That was my point -- I'm surprised the unions are letting this happen. From their perspective, it weakens their union and its members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FanOfUnrealTV;3833623;
    That was my point -- I'm surprised the unions are letting this happen. From their perspective, it weakens their union and its members.
    In Quebec, they don't have a choice. The law is different from the rest of Canada and in short, the unions are "recognized" by a tribunal of sort to represent certain "fonctions" (actors, dancers, etc.) People acting as themselves on a reality show is not a recognized fonction. Now, if they were able to have it recognized has being under their juridiction we (I work on the producer's side) would have the obligation to negociate work conditions for them. They would have to prove that the reality show contestant are "artists" in the sense of a particular law. Of course the industrie is undergoing alot of changes right now... Who knows what will happen in the years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanOfUnrealTV;3833623;
    That was my point -- I'm surprised the unions are letting this happen. From their perspective, it weakens their union and its members.
    Wasn't there a big thing about the writers of the show suing? Perhaps that outcome has to do w/ why the unions aren't doing much about it?

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    Does anyone know how long Ali worked at facebook before she left to be on the Bachelor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed1;3833728;
    Does anyone know how long Ali worked at facebook before she left to be on the Bachelor?
    She started working there the first week of July. Filming started mid-October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CashFoSho;3833745;
    She started working there the first week of July. Filming started mid-October.
    So how does someone who worked somewhere for a little over 3 months have vacation time. Don't you have to work there at least a year to be entitled to vacation time? Who gets that much vacation time working for so little time? I'm not familiar with employment law in California. I'm still not buying Ali's story about having to go back to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed1;3833752;
    So how does someone who worked somewhere for a little over 3 months have vacation time. Don't you have to work there at least a year to be entitled to vacation time? Who gets that much vacation time working for so little time? I'm not familiar with employment law in California. I'm still not buying Ali's story about having to go back to work.
    I think the probationary period is something like either 60 or 90 days in general (from a prior discussion about this subject), and FB does things in their own unique way. Buy it or not, I do think that it is true. There has been nothing out there that opposes it.

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