Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

[CashFoSho]

I've been reluctant to compare any of these ladies to Jillian because outside of the dark hair I just haven't seen it. But in the video I definitely thought for a second that Elizabeth was Jill. Especially with the squeak/squeal she made lol. Anybody else think that?

[atem]

I've been reluctant to compare any of these ladies to Jillian because outside of the dark hair I just haven't seen it. But in the video I definitely thought for a second that Elizabeth was Jill. Especially with the squeak/squeal she made lol. Anybody else think that?

I thought Ashley looked a lot like Jillian. I don't think Elizabeth looks like her.

[Starshine_16]

I've been reluctant to compare any of these ladies to Jillian because outside of the dark hair I just haven't seen it. But in the video I definitely thought for a second that Elizabeth was Jill. Especially with the squeak/squeal she made lol. Anybody else think that?

That was my thought too.I was like wait,why is Jill there hugging Jake. Elizabeth definitely looks like Jill.

[CashFoSho]

I thought Ashley looked a lot like Jillian. I don't think Elizabeth looks like her.

I don't think Elizabeth looks like Jillian at all, but in the video I definitely thought it was Jill for a split second and had to double back to check who it really was.

[Bloomers]

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I agree and appreciate the response.
I frankly like all of it, everyone's contribution. I read the analysis of the SC's and the Bloomers' comments on the edits with great interest, and Wind Dancer's energy readings - and it's fun for me to hear what people have to say on these subjects especially when I'm completely unqualified to do that work myself.
You are right that my focus is on learning who these people are behind the scenes, mainly because I don't trust the depiction we get on TV. But also because most of my adult life has been spent checking out the little details people are claiming to determine if they are for real or not. Sometimes the answers are flattering and sometimes they are not.
For example, there have been questions about whether Jake even attends church or is some kind of phony, and it took me about 10 minutes today to answer that question - he faithfully attends a Methodist church in Denton.
My family's business is aviation so I can't help but comment when TPTB lead us to believe that Jake is flying planes that are 5 times the size of what he actually flies.
Sometimes I am told things about the conflicting personalities or attributes of people on the set - and I pass them along not as fact but as what someone who was there is telling me - to be weighed or discarded as people see fit. "Sleuthing" encompasses all of that.
I like Jake. I worry that I'm not going to like what they do to Jake this season, but I will understand it better if I know more about the real Jake.
To me, the information is not irrelevant because it doesn't happen to address who was wearing the red dress, and it's not mean spirited if it reveals that someone is not perfect. It's all a part of the puzzle.

I agree with this, and I will add that I have seen the snarking on a person to be much, much worse than any "real" info that can be dug up on him or his family. However, both are allowed as long as they stay within the guidelines of the forum.

Just a note....the ones I always feel badly for are the parents at Hometowns. Unlike the contestants, they really do not sign up for this show, and although they sign the waiver so that their child can have his/her shot at finishing his/her stint on a show that the contestant wanted to do, the parents really don't deserve to be edited badly like they often are.

[Ryvetted]

Can anybody tell what the sign on the doors says? May help with where they're at in California/what date this is..

Universal City Walk (it's too bad we already knew they were there, but now we know some of the girls who go!)

[CashFoSho]

Universal City Walk

LOVE you! That's great!

So these girls make it to the 3rd episode. Past 15/12.
That would be that the F12 (so far) are
1 JESSIE
2 ELLA
3 TENLEY
4 KATHRYN
5 MICHELLE
6 ALI



ETA
If we're gonna guess that Elizabeth gets some kind of special alone time on the Six Flags date, should we also assume she gets the rose on that date as well? That would put her in the F12 also.

[atem]

Universal City Walk (it's too bad we already knew they were there!)

Well, we know that is for the comedy group date and not the one to Six Flags.

Seems like the Six Flags one may be a 1 on 1 after all?

[CashFoSho]

Well, we know that is for the comedy group date and not the one to Six Flags.

Seems like the Six Flags one may be a 1 on 1 after all?

The press release said Six Flags was a groupdate, though.

[atem]

The press release said Six Flags was a groupdate, though.

OK. Which came first, the comedy date or the Six Flags one?