Thread: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by MiniDiva;3841362;
    ITA! Tag future season threads with "RS Spoiler Free Zone"! Let the "sleuther" make the choice if they want the whole season spoiled by RS, or want to pursue the thrill of the hunt with other sleuthers!

    To the victor belong the spoils!
    This is a spoiler board by nature.That is the intention of the board. To go in and start changing too many threads by putting restrictions on them changes its tenor, its flow, and its continuity.
    In my opinion, at the very most consideration should be given to limiting one thread only to a RS Spoiler Free Zone. Those who wish to sleuth without the aid of RS can do so on that one thread. The other threads should operate as they have always done.
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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3841478;
    This is a spoiler board by nature.That is the intention of the board. To go in and start changing too many threads by putting restrictions on them changes its tenor, its flow, and its continuity.
    In my opinion, at the very most consideration should be given to limiting one thread only to a RS Spoiler Free Zone. Those who wish to sleuth without the aid of RS can do so on that one thread. The other threads should operate as they have always done.
    I agree. Plus, he may not get any leads next season or not before we figure them out so all this "worry" may be for nothing.

    I know if he knows something I will read his blog anyway so it won't matter to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggerlgh;3841486;
    I agree. Plus, he may not get any leads next season or not before we figure them out so all this "worry" may be for nothing.

    I know if he knows something I will read his blog anyway so it won't matter to me.
    Ditto! Anyone who visits spoilers shouldn't be upset by RS. He will spoil the season if he can, and if he finds a reason to. We all love spoilers or we wouldn't be posting and reading the spoiler side of FORT. The days of judging candle height, sunlight and shadows are in the past. Its still fun to look at what used to be sleuthed so fabulously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsDll;3841494;
    Ditto! Anyone who visits spoilers shouldn't be upset by RS. He will spoil the season if he can, and if he finds a reason to. We all love spoilers or we wouldn't be posting and reading the spoiler side of FORT. The days of judging candle height, sunlight and shadows are in the past. Its still fun to look at what used to be sleuthed so fabulously.
    It is much harder to sleuth than it used to be. The editing used to be much clearer than it is now. Prior to Matt's season, we saw the F3 and usually the F4 make a small but definite connection with the Bach/ette at the M & G. Now sometimes, we are doing well if we just see a couple of the F4 in a screencap with the Bach/ette. Forget a conversation with the lead, let alone a connection.

    The tendency now is to have some of the F4 deliberately get skipped for dates which makes it harder to try to sleuth the edit.

    The edit itself is vague and much more misleading.

    We were within a couple of days of nailing Vienna to that body in the FD suite screencap, but with the edit we were given with Vienna, who was going to want to believe she was F1? Even with RS's reveal and my jumping up and down about her 1-1 date being the adventure date like Ed's Ep 3 date, we still didn't want to believe an F1 Vienna.

    RS's reveal was quite helpful. We would have had a worse time with figuring the outcome - or accepting it - without his reveal.
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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by atem;3841464;
    Yay. I'm not the only one that reads the last page of a book!
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    I would probably cheat on the final exam, giving into temptation to read what RS had to say, and reading the magazine covers at the checkout stands, so I should be banned from the "RS free spoiler zone."
    As for Vienna, I totally missed the girls in college who were licking whipped cream of the chests of other girls and making out with women on stage. Believe me, I was looking for them but they never found me.

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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomers;3841500;
    ItPrior to Matt's season, we saw the F3 and usually the F4 make a small but definite connection with the Bach/ette at the M & G. Now sometimes, we are doing well if we just see a couple of the F4 in a screencap with the Bach/ette.

    The tendency now is to have some of the F4 deliberately get skipped for dates which makes it harder to try to sleuth the edit.


    RS's reveal was quite helpful. We would have had a worse time with figuring the outcome - or accepting it - without his reveal.

    Bloomers
    Meet and Greet "connection" moments:
    Jillian: Wes (F4), Kip (F2), Ed (F1), no Reid (F3)
    Jake: Ali (F4), Tenley(F2), Vienna (F1), no Gia (F3)

    But in Jason's season, we saw Jason make a connection with Jillian.

    Late F4 dates:
    Jillian: Reid F3 (Epi 6)
    Jake: Tenley F2 (Epi 5)


    The more I watch Jake's season unfold, the more I think Fleiss decided to just reproduce Jill's season but without quite the glamour and with a few KEY different outcomes. There's Roz substituted for Wes. There's Ali vs. Vienna instead of Juan vs. David. There's Ali's departure a al Ed's departure only this time the "leaver" does not get to return and become F1. There's Gia, the reserved, instead of Reid. There's Vienna, the shocking edit, as F1 instead of Ed's "shady" edit, both of whom did not fare well with tabloids.

    How this helps us next season, I'm not so sure. It's almost as if it's time for a whole new cycle, setup.

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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by veg_out;3841540;
    The more I watch Jake's season unfold, the more I think Fleiss decided to just reproduce Jill's season but without quite the glamour and with a few KEY different outcomes. There's Roz substituted for Wes. There's Ali vs. Vienna instead of Juan vs. David. There's Ali's departure a al Ed's departure only this time the "leaver" does not get to return and become F1. There's Gia, the reserved, instead of Reid. There's Vienna, the shocking edit, as F1 instead of Ed's "shady" edit, both of whom did not fare well with tabloids.
    This is actually a great post to put in the edit thread. Thinking in MF terms, I agree whole heartedly.

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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by MsDll;3841494;
    Ditto! Anyone who visits spoilers shouldn't be upset by RS. He will spoil the season if he can, and if he finds a reason to. We all love spoilers or we wouldn't be posting and reading the spoiler side of FORT. The days of judging candle height, sunlight and shadows are in the past. Its still fun to look at what used to be sleuthed so fabulously.
    In essence, this is no longer the "sleuthing" thread and simply a "spoilers" thread. Such a pity, the posters here are good at it yet RS merely scoops the story. Congrats to RS for making sleuthing a thing of the past -- to the victor belongs the "spoilers"!

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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by veg_out;3841540;
    Bloomers
    Meet and Greet "connection" moments:
    Jillian: Wes (F4), Kip (F2), Ed (F1), no Reid (F3)
    Jake: Ali (F4), Tenley(F2), Vienna (F1), no Gia (F3)

    But in Jason's season, we saw Jason make a connection with Jillian.

    Late F4 dates:
    Jillian: Reid F3 (Epi 6)
    Jake: Tenley F2 (Epi 5)


    The more I watch Jake's season unfold, the more I think Fleiss decided to just reproduce Jill's season but without quite the glamour and with a few KEY different outcomes. There's Roz substituted for Wes. There's Ali vs. Vienna instead of Juan vs. David. There's Ali's departure a al Ed's departure only this time the "leaver" does not get to return and become F1. There's Gia, the reserved, instead of Reid. There's Vienna, the shocking edit, as F1 instead of Ed's "shady" edit, both of whom did not fare well with tabloids.

    How this helps us next season, I'm not so sure. It's almost as if it's time for a whole new cycle, setup.
    I like and agree with the comparison you make in these two seasons. In the end after reading the last 50 or 60 posts it appears everyone is a little frustrated by not having things to sleuth after the season started. IMHO that is because we all were doing such a great job and were down to the final F4 preseason. We needed the SC's from the first episode to go any farther and were probably less than a day or two away from a result similar to what RS had the day after the final episode.

    It was fun while it lasted and that was 2 and a half months as I remember. I too would read RS throughout the season weekly so his info would influence me but could put that aside to continue sleuthing to find the same result with my friends here. RS hasn't always been correct but he does have a good record overall. I got a lot more sleep during this season thanks to RS's revelations and that is a good thing I guess. But it's a lot more fun reading the group here and seeing them sleuth out the results. In the future only we on this board could police a RS free thread and it just might be worth a try.
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    Re: Bachelor 14 Jake Pavelka **Sleuthing** SPOILERS**

    Quote Originally Posted by MsDll;3841494;
    The days of judging candle height, sunlight and shadows are in the past. Its still fun to look at what used to be sleuthed so fabulously.
    This reminds me of the fine mathematician who so brilliantly applied his trade by adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing by hand... his worksheet was filled with theories and algorithms. Along came the calculator and computer and kids today think pie is something to eat. It is sad to think that the days of candle height and shadows are in the past... It is a science.
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