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    Quote Originally Posted by corundogs;3344912;
    Can I ask...and maybe this is the wrong place for this...but it is something that I have been curious about for awhile now.

    Seems everyone is REALLY OUTRAGED at Jason "spending the night" with all 3 girls. Everyone is convinced he had sex with them and are totally disgusted with him.

    However...this happens with EVERY SINGLE SHOW!!!! They have done the "Fantasy Suite" from the very beginning, every season, every single person takes him up on it and we see them making out for awhile and then the cameras leave and we are left with our imaginations to "fill in the rest of the night".

    I have always assumed they all had sex...I didn't see anything different with Jason than with any other Bachelor/ette and their Final 3.

    So where is all of this outrage, disgust and everything else coming from? Has it been talked about with every other season and I just haven't seen it?

    Or is this something that has been reserved just for Jason?? And if so...WHY???????????????
    For me, I think its the culmination of the voyeuristic and pervy way that the romance, sex, and particularly the final dates have played out this season:
    - All season, they had super close, extended scenes of Jason making out with the girls, groping them, etc. Moreso than seasons past.
    - Then there was Molly's tent date where they made zero effort to even pretend it was G-rated.
    - Then it was Jillian's hot tub scene.
    - Then the final dates were all about the soft-core porn lead-up. In previous seasons, we've seen them hanging out in the suite, cooking dinner, exchanging gifts, etc. This season, they just showed them making out and getting hot 'n heavy in the Fantasy Suite.
    - The final thing for me was Jason and Chris' perverted, disrespectful manner on the WTA; as MissFroggy aptly put it, he looked like 'the high school geek that just screwed the cheerleader.'

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TVJunkie1963;3344907;
    Well, one thing's for sure...I didn't see any "glow" (for lack of a better word when referring to a guy) about Jason last night. I didn't see his eyes light up, I didn't see excitement in his face or eyes...am I the only one? Did anyone else think he looked head over heels with anyone?

    I noticed this too - to play devils's advocate we could say he's totally tired/exhausted/frustrated? The only time he smiled big was during the "funny scene" clips shown on the screen. A sort of big smile for Melissa in a scene and then a huge one when Molly appeared - it was THEIR bathtub scene with the noises. But it could have been because it was the 2nd most embarassing scene for him (because he thought he'd caused it), or it might really be because he remembers that bathtub 'pleasantly'. Maybe someone can screencap him at that point - looking at the bathtub scene.
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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by corundogs;3344912;
    Can I ask...and maybe this is the wrong place for this...but it is something that I have been curious about for awhile now.

    Seems everyone is REALLY OUTRAGED at Jason "spending the night" with all 3 girls. Everyone is convinced he had sex with them and are totally disgusted with him.

    However...this happens with EVERY SINGLE SHOW!!!! They have done the "Fantasy Suite" from the very beginning, every season, every single person takes him up on it and we see them making out for awhile and then the cameras leave and we are left with our imaginations to "fill in the rest of the night".

    I have always assumed they all had sex...I didn't see anything different with Jason than with any other Bachelor/ette and their Final 3.

    So where is all of this outrage, disgust and everything else coming from? Has it been talked about with every other season and I just haven't seen it?

    Or is this something that has been reserved just for Jason?? And if so...WHY???????????????
    My pov only -

    I was "outraged" (in the most dramatic rose ceremony ever kinda way!) that CH "forced" the issue -

    ie the baseball analogy - and the reply "first base" I think that Jason didnt understand the point - why keep bringing it up? Then for some unknown reason he answers "first base" (BTW I think the baselines have changed since the 70's!!)

    I think its something that isnt discussed (ie sex, or bases on the Fantasy dates that is - up to your imagination - and with Jillian's date, lil was left to imagine! And that has been shown before....)

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephie2;3345003;
    I noticed this too - to play devils's advocate we could say he's totally tired/exhausted/frustrated? The only time he smiled big was during the "funny scene" clips shown on the screen. A sort of big smile for Melissa in a scene and then a huge one when Molly appeared - it was THEIR bathtub scene with the noises. But it could have been because it was the 2nd most embarassing scene for him (because he thought he'd caused it), or it might really be because he remembers that bathtub 'pleasantly'. Maybe someone can screencap him at that point - looking at the bathtub scene.
    I got the impression that they had to film it - so their positions were awkward - but perfect for camera angles... I was wondering if the tub was just too small??

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by corundogs;3344912;
    Seems everyone is REALLY OUTRAGED at Jason "spending the night" with all 3 girls... where is all of this outrage, disgust and everything else coming from?
    I think because he's a parent, there is perhaps another layer of scrutiny on him. This is in contrast to, for example, a never-been-married-bar-owner. It's like it's more "allowable" or even expected that the unencumbered single person to have sex before marriage. Whereas a parent, someone who's supposed to be setting a good example for a child, should be more straight and narrow. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just possibly explaining where the outrage comes from.

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by GracieJardine;3344971;
    For me, I think its the culmination of the voyeuristic and pervy way that the romance, sex, and particularly the final dates have played out this season:
    - All season, they had super close, extended scenes of Jason making out with the girls, groping them, etc. Moreso than seasons past.
    - Then there was Molly's tent date where they made zero effort to even pretend it was G-rated.
    - Then it was Jillian's hot tub scene.
    - Then the final dates were all about the soft-core porn lead-up. In previous seasons, we've seen them hanging out in the suite, cooking dinner, exchanging gifts, etc. This season, they just showed them making out and getting hot 'n heavy in the Fantasy Suite.
    - The final thing for me was Jason and Chris' perverted, disrespectful manner on the WTA; as MissFroggy aptly put it, he looked like 'the high school geek that just screwed the cheerleader.'
    OK...but I have to "correct" a few of your points.

    The Hot Tub scene was the last thing we saw before their Fantasy Date was over...so that was the leadup, "makeout" scene we always get. Admittedly, it was the "steamiest" they have ever shown - CH admits that, too. But it was still all part of the process that happens every sesaon.

    The "hanging out in the suite, making dinner, exchanging gifts" is not at all what the Fantasy Date is - that is the Last Chance Date you are thinking of...the one we see next week.

    The WTA thing was a bit distasteful...I think Chris asked it because of all of the OUTRAGE that has been posted about! Because of course, this didn't all come up since last night...it has been discussed for a week!! That is exactly why I think CH addressed it.

    So that being said, I don't see how that explains the outrage...LOL!! Sorry...but I do appreciate you trying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goonies123;3344626;
    Alright. The only good things about the show last night: the update on Fred/Noelle..how cute are they?..and Jillian..what a great girl she is! I thought both Stephanie and Megan looked fabulous..much better than they looked on the show itself. Natalie can leave my TV screen for good. Who does that girl think she is? I couldn't believe that Chris was even throwing her under the bus. I had to laugh though. Someone way back said that they felt that Jason was "cold." I'm going to have to agree with that. I found him to just be "whatever" for the whole episode. I def. view him much differently now and not in a good way. They sure did shove Molly down our throats and barely showed Melissa. I found it funny that they felt the need to do a close up of Molly doing her nails while showing us the picky ring that has now all of a sudden showed up on Molly's hand. How ridiculous. Edit all you want folks..it's not going to help. All in all..boring episode..what a dissappointment.
    Yea, they sure did shove Molly down our throats last night. It's a little late for that now. Now they want to show their relationship and make us accepting of her as F1 (if RS is right) and downplay Mel & J's relationship which is all they have played all season. I suppose the "green eyes" are going to win out in the end.

    I have several theories how this ends that is completely weird and in some cases "freakish". One is, J dumps both girls at the FRC taking Dee's advice of not making a mistake and he returns to "the love of his life" NAOMI. I have posted this before, but after the WTA, did anyone notice how much facetime she got? CH and J talking to Naomi about their relationship and CH even mentioning the hot kiss? Why would he do that? I have said this before, did noone notice the HOT kiss they shared at the end of her HTD. I think that was the hottest of the season. Go back and watch the WTA and see the conversation with J & CH and notice how much airtime she gets and in the "funny" clips, it was almost ALL her. They are trying to make people remember who she is, when the "shocker" occurs at the ATFR1. Maybe the ATFR1 is a pre-taped wedding between the two and that's why an engagement wasn't mentioned because they are married. NOW ALL THIS WOULD BE UNBELIEVEABLE, FREAKISH, CRAZY AND MAKE YOU THROW THINGS OUT THE WINDOW AND YOUR JAW DROP PERMANENTLY TO THE FLOOR.

    To back up the above theory is J's vo at the end of the premiere, while walking towards the supposed FRC site, "I have the tremendous opportunity NOW (emphazied) to find the love of my life." (if he dumped both at the end and went after Naomi, this vo would fit)

    I'm beginning to think there is not a FRC at all in NZ, thus NO DRESSES and the usual FRC previews. Something is up. He could have just gone to their rooms and told them goodbye.

    I just don't see any way for a happy ending here for Mel w/J even though I am her fan. They probably gave Molly a pinky ring for photos to throw the sleuthers off and she very well could be F1 at the FRC if there is one.

    Also, this could be a Charlie-like season where he made no decision and dated both girls in the "real world" for a couple of months and then revealed his decision on the ATFR at the end of the season. That was one of my favorite seasons. That could explain him being rumored to have been seeing both girls during this time. If they taped the ATFR1 early, back in January, he probably made up his mind early and didn't want to continue leading one of the girls on. If RS is right, Mel becomes the "dumpee" one more time. I would rather that it went down like that rather than him chosing her at the FRC, cheat on her with Molly and then blindside her at the ATFR1 by breaking up with her, tell her he had been cheating on her and was going to go be with Miss "green eyes", which is all he seems to notice about her.

    Go back and listen to the vo at the end of episode 1 where you can hear Mel say "I just want it to be me and him" and Molly saying "if she tries to come between me and Jason, it is war."

    The ring J was chosing in the previews last night does not look like the ring Mel had on in the sc. Mel's ring sc is a complete fake as is the J twirling some brunette around after the FRC. That was just to throw us off. All throughout the season, it is mentioned how J is attracted to "brunettes and brown eyes".

    Notice these CH vo's during the FD, "Jason has to break the heart of someone he loves" (Naomi) (made it sound like it is Jill, but obviously is not). Also in a vo CH says during the same episode "one woman goes home in tears in the most dramatic fashion of the season". This could be F1 being sent packing and he doesn't pick anyone at the FRC and CH couldn't say "the most dramatic fashion in bachelor history" because it had already happened to DeAnna.

    My most romantic ending would be if he sent both home and didn't choose Mel because her parents disapproved of her being on the show and then persued her in the "real world" w/o the Bachelor baggage, but just as himself to gain her folks approval. Now that would take guts, because Mel wouldn't know that was why she was being sent home and he would be taking a chance that she might not forgive him. There is a vo of Jason saying in the previews for the season "I fear the worse is going to happen now."

    I just don't get statements CH and Fleiss have made in interviews about the crew knowing who F1 was and got emotionally involved and were rooting for them and they mentioned how emotional it was to see J, F1 and Ty together.

    Anyway, my money's on Naomi to end up with Jason. For the moment. I just don't want it to be "country club" green-eyed seductress, Molly.

    Sorry for the length of this post, but I needed to vent.

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelmum3;3345013;
    My pov only -

    I was "outraged" (in the most dramatic rose ceremony ever kinda way!) that CH "forced" the issue -

    ie the baseball analogy - and the reply "first base" I think that Jason didnt understand the point - why keep bringing it up? Then for some unknown reason he answers "first base" (BTW I think the baselines have changed since the 70's!!)

    I think its something that isnt discussed (ie sex, or bases on the Fantasy dates that is - up to your imagination - and with Jillian's date, lil was left to imagine! And that has been shown before....)
    Funny you bring up the bases. My husband was appalled at that question. Of course, he vacillates among ridicule and disgust and boredom and curiosity about what "really happened" every episode... as do we all.

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelmum3;3345013;
    My pov only -

    I was "outraged" (in the most dramatic rose ceremony ever kinda way!) that CH "forced" the issue -

    ie the baseball analogy - and the reply "first base" I think that Jason didnt understand the point - why keep bringing it up? Then for some unknown reason he answers "first base" (BTW I think the baselines have changed since the 70's!!)

    I think its something that isnt discussed (ie sex, or bases on the Fantasy dates that is - up to your imagination - and with Jillian's date, lil was left to imagine! And that has been shown before....)

    But again, that was only last night! I have been reading about people being "disgusted" that he had sex with all 3 women on the Fantasy Dates all week. The "Baseball Analogy" only happened last night.

    All I saw on Jillian's date was them making out in the hot tub...with her sitting up on the deck and him standing in it, with her legs wrapped around his.

    We KNOW this is a common thing with them - they ALL wrap their legs around him...with every greeting! LOL!!

    I guess I still don't see it...I haven't understood it all week. I just don't see how it was any different than any other season on the Fantasy Date night. I guess Chris saying that it was " more than they have ever shown before" - but come on, it was STILL shown on network primetime - not even in the 3rd hour!!! It was shown in the 8pm hour central time and 9pm east and west coast time.

    And again, I still think that line of questioning was based on what was said on these boards.

    I guess I could be wrong about that though if that was taped before the "outrage" was talked about in the forums.

    Oh well...again, thanks for trying!

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    Re: Women Tell All..your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by kikibibi;3345035;
    I think because he's a parent, there is perhaps another layer of scrutiny on him. This is in contrast to, for example, a never-been-married-bar-owner. It's like it's more "allowable" or even expected that the unencumbered single person to have sex before marriage. Whereas a parent, someone who's supposed to be setting a good example for a child, should be more straight and narrow. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just possibly explaining where the outrage comes from.
    OK...guess that could explain it - but then, we all KNOW how he got that son, right? LMAO!!!

    I mean, the "sex before marriage"...well, he has been married before and obviously had sex at least once or Ty wouldn't be here.

    And of course, he IS single!!

    But I appreciate again what you are saying and do even more appreciate saying you aren't saying it's right or wrong...

    I guess it's just "one of those things" and I will continue to not understand it - but I am glad I asked

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