Reality Steve discussion only **Spoilers**

[Tiggerlgh]

I highly doubt Fleiss would go through the expense of reshooting an FRC just to stick it to RS.

I agree. We also forget its a very small portion of the viewing public that knows. The average viewer watches on Monday and moves on until the next monday night. RS and FORT readers are a very small % of the viewers.

[Jojo47]

The only way I can see this playing out with a pre-RC hotel room visit, combined with the info from RS that all 4 get invited to St. Lucia, is as below. We must keep in mind that RS has not confirmed this as being fact and that he would post something near the end of the week if he found out any further info.

- Ali goes to Jake's room and tells him that she needs to go back to SF for work-related reasons.
- Ali tells Jake that this is a hard decision for her because she is falling in love with him. (This coincides with Jake's VO of "she tells me she is falling in love with me and then she leaves me"). She likely tells him she is confused and doesn't know what to do.
- Jake asks her "what is your heart telling you to do?"
- This conversation likely ends with Jake telling Ali to think about her decision and not to make a quick choice here. She leaves without giving him a definite answer of what she is going to do.
- Meanwhile TPTB know that she is likely to leave, or that she is leaving for sure and are wondering how they can spin this for the most dramatic effect possible, aside from televising Jake's heartwrenching reaction.
- They decide that the women will believe there is a RC where someone will be eliminated, but there will really be a BIG announcement that they all 4 get to go to St. Lucia - thus creating a Bachelor first with no RC!
- Meanwhile, they tell Ali that if she wants to leave the show, she must give/tell Jake that she is leaving at this RC.
- And so this is where she bows out and Jake is devasted.

Okay, feel free to pick this apart!

[godukebasketbal]

Jojo, that sounds like a very plausible scenario. Still my only question is why there are only 3 roses on the table when Chris H. tells the girls there is no ceremony. Unless they set it up with 3 roses so the girls think there is a ceremony, like you said...?

[anders332]

I agree. We also forget its a very small portion of the viewing public that knows. The average viewer watches on Monday and moves on until the next monday night. RS and FORT readers are a very small % of the viewers.

i wish i was one of those people......

[sanlee]

Jojo, that sounds like a very plausible scenario. Still my only question is why there are only 3 roses on the table when Chris H. tells the girls there is no ceremony. Unless they set it up with 3 roses so the girls think there is a ceremony, like you said...?

I agree about Jojo's scenario. Seems like it could go that way.....IF there were 4 roses on the table, the girls would probably be wondering what's going on, so maybe that is why there are only 3 roses on the table.

[one71721]

Jojo, that sounds like a very plausible scenario. Still my only question is why there are only 3 roses on the table when Chris H. tells the girls there is no ceremony. Unless they set it up with 3 roses so the girls think there is a ceremony, like you said...?

I agree that Jojo's scenario is very plausible and the RC is set up as usual to fake out the 4 girls as well as the viewers....

[sweetpea]

Notice that they did absolutely nothing to deter any possible damage that all the Edgate might do to the franchise. In fact, there are a good many people who believe that there were actually people behind the scenes fanning the flames and milking the situation for all it was worth for the ratings.

This is exactly what I was going to mention. Last season was supposed to be the end of it all because of all the shocking revelations about the F1...since this season has even higher ratings, I doubt they are too worried about any fallout as a major blow to the franchise.

[sweetpea]

The fear of flying is a good thought...I can't imagine that being the thing to keep me from fighting for a potential husband though!

Or for a free trip to St. Lucia. I was there many years ago and it is just beautiful!

[nd4reality]

The only way I can see this playing out with a pre-RC hotel room visit, combined with the info from RS that all 4 get invited to St. Lucia, is as below. We must keep in mind that RS has not confirmed this as being fact and that he would post something near the end of the week if he found out any further info.

- Ali goes to Jake's room and tells him that she needs to go back to SF for work-related reasons.
- Ali tells Jake that this is a hard decision for her because she is falling in love with him. (This coincides with Jake's VO of "she tells me she is falling in love with me and then she leaves me"). She likely tells him she is confused and doesn't know what to do.
- Jake asks her "what is your heart telling you to do?"
- This conversation likely ends with Jake telling Ali to think about her decision and not to make a quick choice here. She leaves without giving him a definite answer of what she is going to do.
- Meanwhile TPTB know that she is likely to leave, or that she is leaving for sure and are wondering how they can spin this for the most dramatic effect possible, aside from televising Jake's heartwrenching reaction.
- They decide that the women will believe there is a RC where someone will be eliminated, but there will really be a BIG announcement that they all 4 get to go to St. Lucia - thus creating a Bachelor first with no RC!
- Meanwhile, they tell Ali that if she wants to leave the show, she must give/tell Jake that she is leaving at this RC.
- And so this is where she bows out and Jake is devasted.

Okay, feel free to pick this apart!

All I can change in this scenario would be - they all 4 line up for the RC where Chris says that there will be none.

Then, they proceed to make an offer to the girls....if any of you choose to leave please do so right now and Ali steps forward.
Alternatively, they could say if any of you want to go to St Lucia with Jake please step forward and all but Ali steps forward.

That way, a firm decision is made but Jake never offered and was refused a Rose. So unlike Jillian's where Ed chose to Keep his Rose - thereby keeping his option open (I found that so staged BTW), this time their Bachelors face would be saved by his rose not being rejected.

Just throwing out some other ideas.

[Capegal]

I still don't quite have clarity about the FRC issue. Has RS said for sure at this point that Jake actually chooses Vienna at the FRC?

Do we know if we can actually discount for sure the idea that he rejects her at the FRC? If we don't know that for a certainity, can somebody with whom he emails, contact him and ask if he knows for sure if Jake does offer the rose to Vienna at the FRC? If so, does she accept? What do we know about for sure about the FRC at this point?

Thanks!

In his initial tell-all - RS did say that Tenley was F2 - and that left Vienna as the FINAL ONE - F! (not a quote) - but said he didn't know if they were engaged blah blah............ so basically saying he didn't know the final outcome