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    Re: RS Predictions **Spoilers**

    How long are they tied to the contract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kultainen;3353409;
    No I wouldn't/haven't. I have no problem with someone else saying yes, though. I don't equate taking someone's phone number with what may have happened here. Personallyl, I just don't have the time for players. Except the hockey one I married!

    We don't disagree on your second point : Again, Jason can change his mind once a day for all I care. In fact, he probably does. But, no contract trumps behavior.
    The point I was trying to make with the first part is that people who are "not comfortable with the publicness" of the show, who would never agree to any of the terms of this show, are applying their own standards, or standards typically considered appropriate for most people, to a small group of people who have agreed to having their most personal moments filmed for up to 6 weeks, edited in a possiby embarassing, negative manner, and broadcasted for millions to view, scrutinize and judge. Somehow, the period of time between the taping and airing of the show is being called the real word when they are still very much subject to the conditions of the contract. I don't see that the "game" is over, at least not in terms of TPTB being out of their lives. IMO, reality does not begin until they are free to live their lives on their own terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GracieJardine;3353345;
    That's mostly true. But I think people underestimate how much people gossip within the industry. Its social currency - the same as in an insurance office, a person might say ,'Oh I saw Mr. Jones yesterday, he's buying a boat and needs to meet to discuss insurance.'

    Most people outside of Hollywood also don't realize that the vast majority of behind-the-scenes staff are freelancers. They work for themselves or for an agency. As such, you can work on a different set each day of the week. Or, you'll work on one job for 3 months and then go onto something else. With that much moving around, you often get to see the same people, or at least people who worked with your friends. So every time you are reunited with someone you worked with before, you catch up: 'oh what shows have you worked? i'm thinking about working for this client, have you worked for them before?' etc etc. So jobs, experiences on set, and tidbits about celebs are passed around in the industry this way. It would be completely within reason, as RS has previously worked in LA, that he was catching up with some buddies and some details came out along these lines.



    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. And no, I have zero inside knowledge of The Bachelor. I'm just speaking with first-hand knowledge of the industry as a whole.
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    "Social currency" - I love that phrase
    I take issue with the notion that there is only one source and that person is leaking it for either money or conscience. Ever hear, "if two people know something, it isn't a secret?" The reason isn't because only one person will blab, for money or because of outrage.
    It's because people, all people, being social animals, love to gossip. Why do you think so many of us are glued to this board....and those who have information post it? Because if you have something interesting that you know, and others want to know, it is a social currency that makes you interesting to listen to, and that feels good.
    People at the network, friends of TB, former participants, and business associates of these folks, all want to be liked. Get to know them and they will talk about what they know. They all expend, at various rates, their social currency. And it adds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kultainen;3353316;
    I agree.. it is either a game (for all), and if so, then we should expect nothing "real", or it's not a game, and then game analogy doesn't apply. But to me, it all boils down to one simple proposition: if Jason changed his mind, for whatever reason and whenever, he should have broken off quietly and privately with Melissa, and then re-connected with Molly, or moved on with someone else, or stayed single. If that's what he did, fine, and good luck.
    If it true, and it more and more appears so, that he waited to tell Melissa it was over until it was on TV, that's not game mentality or what a real man would do...that's just plain sick. And a guy who would do that is a guy I would never want.
    ITA. Which is why I find myself in a win/win situation. If he does it, Mel dodged a bullet. If this is all false and he and Mel are together, then that's fine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairyTaleLove;3353013;
    To my way of thinking, someone who knew the earlier facts would be in a position to know the rest, as well.
    To my way of thinking, people can make mistakes about some facts and be right about others. A cameraman, for instance, might know firsthand about what happened at a taping while he would only get secondhand something that happened during arranged get-togethers between the happy couple after the season -- he could be about the firsthand information without being right about all of the information he passes onward.

    That kind of scenario has happened to a number of the people who are receiving information about the show from...."sources" -- some of the information they have shared has been correct, other information has not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdl;3351645;
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    Ok, that is very interesting. Thanks.
    Also, I just got a couple of excellent PM's that helped answer my question.
    One from one of the true authorities on this board who says that "Jason's Mom" is a complete imposter based on the dates where she clearly wasn't where or doing what she was supposed to be - which effectively outed her to people in the know.
    The other was a Greatest Hits collection of posts from "Jay's Mom" that was insane!!! I can't even imagine the madness that would lead someone to sit at their computer and dream this stuff up, or that anyone would believe it, but that's the power of the internet.
    Thank you for responding. I was really curious but it seemed like people weren't openly talking about it.
    p.s. I wonder if the "Mom" and "Great Aunt" ever run into each other in cyberspace and call each other out.....or do they just wink and nod, and laugh?
    You are too funny! The idea of these imposters meeting up with each other on the net is hysterical but quite possible! I hope that after the imposters are proven wrong about Jason and Melissa, that people don't buy their excuses for being wrong (yet again).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete B;3351681;
    sdl, with all due respect to you and the four people, what you are describing does not present facts, just a lot of rumors. Saying that they are not from the same source is supposition which you or they can not prove.

    Let's look at some real "facts":

    1. We are being asked not to believe our eyes that Jason is not an average guy as he appeared to many of us, but rather a chauvinist pig who puts Casanova to shame

    2. We are being asked to believe that Melissa is not an easy-going bubbly lady who enjoys life, but a heroine from romance novels who has been scorned and will be branded for life locked in a tower .

    3. God knows what we are being asked to believe on Molly (a cross between Lady Macbeth and Lorena Bobbitt)

    4. We are also asked to believe that an organization as sly as the one Fleiss and Co. run have been hodwinked by an online blogger! We are being asked to believe that they are in a panic over this and are using all means necessary (but apparently not succeeding) in damage control!

    At the same time, we are also being "told" (not asked) that:

    1. RSs words are Manna from heaven and he is not really a small time blogger whose name most of us did not know until a few days ago, but a cross between James Dean and Ralph Nader.

    2. RSs info should not be questioned as he has verified it through all sort of sources, with a coup de grace that he has staked his reputation (of an online blogger extraordinaire) on this.

    3. Even though many of his sources and info have already been proven wrong, we are being told that RS knows his stuff and we are just being emotional if we question these "facts".

    One of history's less savory characters once said that a lie repeated many times becomes the perceived truth. And while he may have been right, it does NOT by default become the "overwhelming weight of mounting evidence", just a bunch of overlayed rumors and gossip serving the likes of Mike Fleiss.
    Well, clearly you are free to believe what you consider to be the "facts." I agree with sdl. My beliefs, just as his, are not based upon pure speculation but people we know personally and trust. The sources are indeed more than one person. You can choose not to believe that as a fact. RS's blog entries will all be proven as true.

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    Re: RS Predictions **Spoilers**

    It seems impossible that there is a rumor out there that hasn't been posted here yet. So, has anyone here posted the rumor that Jason was spotted in Dallas recently? Like, sometime last week or thereabouts? I didn't read it at JU, RS, the alphabet board or the Alethea (sp?) board. It was on the other board I frequent that does recaps and forums of all kinds of shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZulaMay;3353600;
    It seems impossible that there is a rumor out there that hasn't been posted here yet. So, has anyone here posted the rumor that Jason was spotted in Dallas recently? Like, sometime last week or thereabouts? I didn't read it at JU, RS, the alphabet board or the Alethea (sp?) board. It was on the other board I frequent that does recaps and forums of all kinds of shows.
    Elvis was supposedly spotted in Tahiti for the last 30 years... I think who ever spotted Jason in Dallas didn't spot him there... No one takes that report seriously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZulaMay;3353540;
    ITA. Which is why I find myself in a win/win situation. If he does it, Mel dodged a bullet. If this is all false and he and Mel are together, then that's fine too.
    I'm with you, ZuluMay. I've been thinking all along how sad I will be if Jason doesn't end up with Melissa, but if he is willing to break up with her on camera (whether it was planned from the beginning or not), then he's no catch and she's far better off without him.

    After these last couple of weeks, all my thoughts about this season have come down to one simple thing:

    If Jason surprises Melissa with a break up while the camera is rolling, then he's not the man many thought he was. There will be absolutely no excuses that will justify catching her off-guard on camera.

    If he changed his mind, then more power to him: He can choose to break up off camera.

    If it was all a plot from the beginning (which I have no idea): He can insist on the break up being off camera.

    If the contract states he HAS to shock her with a break up while the camera is on her face to capture her pain: He can stand up and say, "Sue me...I'm going to do the right thing and that is NOT who I am."

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