Bachelor 13: Body Language **Spoilers!** - Page 42

fan*addict · 02-17-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NYGal

If it hasn't already! Oh to be a fly on the wall when she was watching him with Jillian last night.

and there we have why Jason said he hopes his F1 doesn't watch
(or something to that effect)

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jotiff1 · 02-17-2009, 02:45 PM

I think Jason looked like he was going to have a nervous breakdown last night. I went back and re-watched parts of it without the sound on and he looked awful, like he was going to hurl any minute. He looks like he has been through the meat grinder. Did anyone else see how stressed out he looked?

wing · 02-17-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jotiff1

I think Jason looked like he was going to have a nervous breakdown last night. I went back and re-watched parts of it without the sound on and he looked awful, like he was going to hurl any minute. He looks like he has been through the meat grinder. Did anyone else see how stressed out he looked?

I did. I'm glad he took a few minutes before going back to the RC site to compose himself.

Minney · 02-17-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jotiff1

I think Jason looked like he was going to have a nervous breakdown last night. I went back and re-watched parts of it without the sound on and he looked awful, like he was going to hurl any minute. He looks like he has been through the meat grinder. Did anyone else see how stressed out he looked?

I think Jason looked very upset last night. If he's that upset about letting F3 go then the agony scene on his balcony makes more sense for after letting F2 go.

mommadeb · 02-17-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Minney

I think Jason looked very upset last night. If he's that upset about letting F3 go then the agony scene on his balcony makes more sense for after letting F2 go.

That is exactly what my daughter and I were talking about last night. If it was that hard to let Jill go, then the anguish he must feel at letting F2 go. I think that really does explain the balcony scene. After letting F2 go he has to take some considerable amount of time to compose himself before he can go on to F1.

typesalot · 02-17-2009, 03:49 PM

Listening to Jason question Molly about the couch space between her parents on the HTD, I think he is pretty attuned to body language. When she confirms that her family isn't mushy-gushy, that's pretty different from Jason's personality. So his choice is between Molly and her family, none of whom express their emotions easily, and Melissa, whose emotions are obvious to all but he hasn't yet met her family to know what they are like.

I think there was an instant connection with Melissa from day one and I highly suspect her parents' no-show was scripted to make it look like somebody else had a chance. Molly make have come close, but in the end, Melissa's #1. I think Jason knew about the scripting, but Melissa didn't, and hence some drama in the final episode.

theRealist · 02-17-2009, 07:13 PM

Jason's appearance before and after the LRC could mean several different things....guilt for one.

windylady · 02-18-2009, 05:12 PM

RS never mentions the exact moment when Fleiss stirred up the pot this season. He believes (from his source) that it was "from the beginning", but I really doubt that is true. The edits favoring Mel go back to the first show, but this is just editing, and we all know how much of a "drama king" Fleiss is. Editing can support any story.

So, maybe Fleiss didn't come up with his "brilliant" idea until later in the actual filming of the show. I believe the crew saw the connection with Molly right from the start, and were rooting for them all along. That's not to say Jason wasn't also attracted to Melissa, because we know this is true by watching his body language (touching) in the first handful of episodes. But somewhere around the hometown dates he made his final choice, and chose Molly.

Go back and watch the fantasy dates. Notice his body language with Melissa and with Jillian. Notice the way he appears to be "studying" them as they are sharing their feelings. He is almost disconnected and pulling away. He closes his eyes part way, and tilts his head and chin. He's almost uncomfortable listening to them.

Notice his sailing trip with Melissa. He sits on the boat with his hands behind him the entire time. She is the only one initiating the physical contact and touching. When they are in the hot tub, he keeps his hands on her face, and almost seems to be keeping distance between them. Again, he is studying her and trying to smile politely when she is speaking about her parents. Almost as if he isn't interested.

As for Jillian's hot tub, I believe Jillian surprised him, and blew him away physically. Only they know how far things went that night, and how long the hot tub scene actually lasted. It's possible things cooled quickly once they left the tub. Only they know for sure. But the one thing I do know is that he spent the rest of his date studying her with his eyes half closed, his head tilted, and his chin lifted. This doesn't tell me he was still considering her for F1.

Now watch his date with Molly. Notice the cheesy smile as she was running towards him. Watch how his eyes are wide open the entire time they are talking. He even has some "baby talk" moments, ala Trista. There is no question he has chosen Molly at this point. He is totally open to her during their date.

Next, Molly comes out with the million dollar comment "What if you choose the wrong one and regret it". THIS is the moment I think Fleiss comes up with his "brilliant" ending, and sees a way to make the season unique and dramatic. THIS is the point when I think Fleiss approached Jason and somehow came up with a deal (maybe even one Jason couldn't afford to turn down for whatever reason).

Choose Melissa, date both of them for a few months, then, if the connection with Molly is still as strong as it is in New Zealand, break up with Melissa, and keep Molly. I sincerely doubt Fleiss told Jason he would be breaking up with Melissa in a manner that would humiliate her, and I suspect Jason wasn't happy with the way the ATFR1 was manipulated.

WHY would Jason agree to this? I'm still not sure. But, I'm giving him a "slight" benefit of the doubt and hoping that he believes he was doing it for the right reasons. The jury is still out as far as I am concerned.

windylady · 02-18-2009, 05:14 PM

Maybe his agony on the balcony was actually guilt over hurting Molly, when he really wanted to have her as his F1 but was convinced (strong armed), by Fleiss, to let her go and choose Melissa temporarily.

This would show even more convincingly that it was Molly all along.

moflan · 02-19-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by itsyourmom

Did anyone notice tonight that Molly shook her head "no" a lot when she was talking about her feelings? She did it with him at the table and in her PI. I'd have to go back and watch but while she says she wants to show her emotions or fall in love, she is shaking her head no.

I've noticed Molly's head shaking no throughout this season and posted it in the Molly thread. The ponytail swinging from side to side is quite distracting as she shakes her head no when she's communicating something emotional to Jason.

02-17-2009, 02:45 PM	#412
jotiff1 FORT Fan Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 228	Re: Bachelor 13: Body Language Spoilers! I think Jason looked like he was going to have a nervous breakdown last night. I went back and re-watched parts of it without the sound on and he looked awful, like he was going to hurl any minute. He looks like he has been through the meat grinder. Did anyone else see how stressed out he looked?

02-17-2009, 03:49 PM	#416
typesalot FORT Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 17	Re: Bachelor 13: Body Language Spoilers! Listening to Jason question Molly about the couch space between her parents on the HTD, I think he is pretty attuned to body language. When she confirms that her family isn't mushy-gushy, that's pretty different from Jason's personality. So his choice is between Molly and her family, none of whom express their emotions easily, and Melissa, whose emotions are obvious to all but he hasn't yet met her family to know what they are like. I think there was an instant connection with Melissa from day one and I highly suspect her parents' no-show was scripted to make it look like somebody else had a chance. Molly make have come close, but in the end, Melissa's #1. I think Jason knew about the scripting, but Melissa didn't, and hence some drama in the final episode.

02-17-2009, 07:13 PM	#417
theRealist Reality TV doesn't exist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Skeptical Island Posts: 506	Re: Bachelor 13: Body Language Spoilers! Jason's appearance before and after the LRC could mean several different things....guilt for one.

02-18-2009, 05:12 PM	#418
windylady FORT Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 31	Re: Bachelor 13: Body Language Spoilers! RS never mentions the exact moment when Fleiss stirred up the pot this season. He believes (from his source) that it was "from the beginning", but I really doubt that is true. The edits favoring Mel go back to the first show, but this is just editing, and we all know how much of a "drama king" Fleiss is. Editing can support any story. So, maybe Fleiss didn't come up with his "brilliant" idea until later in the actual filming of the show. I believe the crew saw the connection with Molly right from the start, and were rooting for them all along. That's not to say Jason wasn't also attracted to Melissa, because we know this is true by watching his body language (touching) in the first handful of episodes. But somewhere around the hometown dates he made his final choice, and chose Molly. Go back and watch the fantasy dates. Notice his body language with Melissa and with Jillian. Notice the way he appears to be "studying" them as they are sharing their feelings. He is almost disconnected and pulling away. He closes his eyes part way, and tilts his head and chin. He's almost uncomfortable listening to them. Notice his sailing trip with Melissa. He sits on the boat with his hands behind him the entire time. She is the only one initiating the physical contact and touching. When they are in the hot tub, he keeps his hands on her face, and almost seems to be keeping distance between them. Again, he is studying her and trying to smile politely when she is speaking about her parents. Almost as if he isn't interested. As for Jillian's hot tub, I believe Jillian surprised him, and blew him away physically. Only they know how far things went that night, and how long the hot tub scene actually lasted. It's possible things cooled quickly once they left the tub. Only they know for sure. But the one thing I do know is that he spent the rest of his date studying her with his eyes half closed, his head tilted, and his chin lifted. This doesn't tell me he was still considering her for F1. Now watch his date with Molly. Notice the cheesy smile as she was running towards him. Watch how his eyes are wide open the entire time they are talking. He even has some "baby talk" moments, ala Trista. There is no question he has chosen Molly at this point. He is totally open to her during their date. Next, Molly comes out with the million dollar comment "What if you choose the wrong one and regret it". THIS is the moment I think Fleiss comes up with his "brilliant" ending, and sees a way to make the season unique and dramatic. THIS is the point when I think Fleiss approached Jason and somehow came up with a deal (maybe even one Jason couldn't afford to turn down for whatever reason). Choose Melissa, date both of them for a few months, then, if the connection with Molly is still as strong as it is in New Zealand, break up with Melissa, and keep Molly. I sincerely doubt Fleiss told Jason he would be breaking up with Melissa in a manner that would humiliate her, and I suspect Jason wasn't happy with the way the ATFR1 was manipulated. WHY would Jason agree to this? I'm still not sure. But, I'm giving him a "slight" benefit of the doubt and hoping that he believes he was doing it for the right reasons. The jury is still out as far as I am concerned.

02-18-2009, 05:14 PM	#419
windylady FORT Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 31	Re: Bachelor 13: Body Language Spoilers! Maybe his agony on the balcony was actually guilt over hurting Molly, when he really wanted to have her as his F1 but was convinced (strong armed), by Fleiss, to let her go and choose Melissa temporarily. This would show even more convincingly that it was Molly all along.