What's up with that edit??!!

[richmondrose]

Originally Posted by BritLit

My take is exactly the opposite--I think the edit is putting Melissa on a platter and getting ready to throw her in the fire. The others are shown as fun and adventure loving, Mel as needy and sad. Jill goes to the winery; Naomi goes on a horseback ride; Molly plays golf at the country club. Melissa sits on the grass.

At each of the homes, something fun happens (even if we aren't shown it)--beer pong with Molly's parents, Jason has to sing O Canada while wearing ridiculous boxers at Jillian's, hula hoops and a dove funeral at Naomi's. Melissa? Completely uneventful dinner. Moving on to the hotel--more maudlin discussion.

Jump ahead a week to New Zealand. Jillian and Jason in a heliicopter seeing the most gorgeous scenery in the world, standing on the precipice of a cliff, gorgeous suite and hot tub. Molly and Jason gleefully bungee jumping off a bridge, another gorgeous suite with rose-filled bathtub and what looks like a bedroom from a movie set. Melissa and Jason sitting on a tour boat, sitting in the most boring brown hotel room imaginable, having another sad conversation.

According to the edit she is getting, the only way Melissa gets to be F1 is if a Fairy Godmother appears and waves a magic wand. And the way that she's being shown? I'll bet her fan base is dropping faster than the DOW Jones average. . .If Melissa gets proposed to it will go down in bachelor annals as "The Pity Proposal."

Truly great observations and comments.

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[ducky2]

Originally Posted by BritLit

My take is exactly the opposite--I think the edit is putting Melissa on a platter and getting ready to throw her in the fire. The others are shown as fun and adventure loving, Mel as needy and sad. Jill goes to the winery; Naomi goes on a horseback ride; Molly plays golf at the country club. Melissa sits on the grass.

At each of the homes, something fun happens (even if we aren't shown it)--beer pong with Molly's parents, Jason has to sing O Canada while wearing ridiculous boxers at Jillian's, hula hoops and a dove funeral at Naomi's. Melissa? Completely uneventful dinner. Moving on to the hotel--more maudlin discussion.

Jump ahead a week to New Zealand. Jillian and Jason in a heliicopter seeing the most gorgeous scenery in the world, standing on the precipice of a cliff, gorgeous suite and hot tub. Molly and Jason gleefully bungee jumping off a bridge, another gorgeous suite with rose-filled bathtub and what looks like a bedroom from a movie set. Melissa and Jason sitting on a tour boat, sitting in the most boring brown hotel room imaginable, having another sad conversation.

According to the edit she is getting, the only way Melissa gets to be F1 is if a Fairy Godmother appears and waves a magic wand. And the way that she's being shown? I'll bet her fan base is dropping faster than the DOW Jones average. . .If Melissa gets proposed to it will go down in bachelor annals as "The Pity Proposal."

Great post BritLit! I love the part about the fairy godmother! But I do disagree with your analysis. I just posted in the Melissa thread that I think TPTB have achieved the sympathy for Melissa that they were looking for. Many posters have said that they like Melissa so much more now, feel bad for her, etc.. Maybe more people will be rooting for Jason and her to resolve the conflict. They play on viewers sympathies at the FRC to set up the next bachelor/bachelorette. It seems like they're doing the same thing here, except earlier so that we will rally behind Melissa and be happy when the conflict is resolved and she is F1.

[Arielflies]

During Melissa's telling Jason that he won't meet her parents, she talks really fast. But, with the help of closed captioning, I caught the following. Her father didn't want to meet this special man in his daughter's life in front of the cameras because he couldn't be himself. That such a moment should be special, and the publicness of the show's process would take away from that. Understandable, but it still made her sad.

In the previews, when they are in the hot tub, Jason asks Melissa if she has talked to her folks yet. She says no. However, I think I caught a slight gleam in his eye when he asked her that question. It could very well be that he did have contact with them between the hometown and the fantasy date. But, once again we won't see it or know of it until the very last minute because Melissa's edit of insecurity needs to continue to rise until the FRC.

During his talk with Chris, he had a BUT showing with each of the girls except Melissa. There was a regret, but not a BUT. This is what the editors are hiding. The finale and FRC will come down to Jason being accepted by her parents. The question they will keep to the forefront with Melissa's storyline will be the without parental acceptance, can there be Jason acceptance.

What is up with Molly's stone cold preppy edit? With their meeting, I thought - whoa - he is way more into her than she is into him. Then they golf at a country club and he wasn't told and is worried about the dress code, which she can remedy. Disconnect. Her mother decides to provide entertainment through family hat wearing, which embarrasses both of her daughters. Then her mother forces him to try an artistic expression even when he said he couldn't draw. Disconnect. They didn't show the meal time, and while sitting on the couch, both appear stiff. Moly had a strained and nervous look on her face the whole "edited" version we saw of that date. The previews show her talking about trying to lower her walls - but, we're still stuck in the "Molly as competitor" edit, so will this ring true?

Jillian's hometown was over the top warm and fuzzy - usually a terrific edit sign for the F1. Even though Jason has now seen her vulnerable side and appreciates her strong spirit, there is still a BUT in his mind. Does it have to do with passion? Her family also seems the closest in personality to what we saw of Jason's family last year. It looks like a perfect match on paper. What's missing? One thing I noticed missing was that as soon as his car door closed, she was "catapulting" back into the house to be with her family. No lingering look, no wave goodbye. Molly stood in the driveway and watched him drive away. Naomi didn't seem to want to let him leave. We didn't see the car scene with Melissa because they ended it in her hotel suite.

Oh, one other interesting edit insert - other than the wonky rose order - did you notice when the Dallas segment started they showed Jason driving down a road, as if he is driving to see Melissa? HA! That was cut in from the first night intro section where he and Ty are driving down PCH to their Malibu Pad. AND they used that cut in twice during his VO regarding Melissa. WHY?

Weirdness abounds this episode.

[bamabrain]

Originally Posted by Luvvy

It does explain a lot about Mol, though...and that along with the "guy she dated for three years" not having her parents approval, explains to me that she really needs her parents approval, almost like it wasn't okay for her to be with Jason b/c she didn't have permission or am I the only one who saw that?

The edit is clearly preparing for parental approval to be one of the themes with the F2.

Originally Posted by KashatheDiva

I think you've hit on something.
I am going to file this away for later.
Very good point.

Yes--I'm expecting that we may have Conspiracy Theory sleuthing to undertake after we get more FRC caps.

ETA: BritLit, your observations about the editing are spot-on. Not only is Melissa now receiving the sympathy edit (not unlike Bevin's), but she also apparently has other "issues" to reveal to Jason? (I'm thinking of the PI of her in the red halter.)

[KashatheDiva]

Originally Posted by bamabrain

The edit is clearly preparing for parental approval to be one of the themes with the F2.



Yes--I'm expecting that we may have Conspiracy Theory sleuthing to undertake after we get more FRC caps.

Yep, there was no other rational reason for this.
It's a foreshadowing.
It's also extending the story line at that point to show some doubt.
Leaving the order as naturally planned takes the story line in another direction.

[amy4bama]

Originally Posted by Arielflies

During Melissa's telling Jason that he won't meet her parents, she talks really fast. But, with the help of closed captioning, I caught the following. Her father didn't want to meet this special man in his daughter's life in front of the cameras because he couldn't be himself. That such a moment should be special, and the publicness of the show's process would take away from that. Understandable, but it still made her sad.

In the previews, when they are in the hot tub, Jason asks Melissa if she has talked to her folks yet. She says no. However, I think I caught a slight gleam in his eye when he asked her that question. It could very well be that he did have contact with them between the hometown and the fantasy date. But, once again we won't see it or know of it until the very last minute because Melissa's edit of insecurity needs to continue to rise until the FRC.

During his talk with Chris, he had a BUT showing with each of the girls except Melissa. There was a regret, but not a BUT. This is what the editors are hiding. The finale and FRC will come down to Jason being accepted by her parents. The question they will keep to the forefront with Melissa's storyline will be the without parental acceptance, can there be Jason acceptance.

What is up with Molly's stone cold preppy edit? With their meeting, I thought - whoa - he is way more into her than she is into him. Then they golf at a country club and he wasn't told and is worried about the dress code, which she can remedy. Disconnect. Her mother decides to provide entertainment through family hat wearing, which embarrasses both of her daughters. Then her mother forces him to try an artistic expression even when he said he couldn't draw. Disconnect. They didn't show the meal time, and while sitting on the couch, both appear stiff. Moly had a strained and nervous look on her face the whole "edited" version we saw of that date. The previews show her talking about trying to lower her walls - but, we're still stuck in the "Molly as competitor" edit, so will this ring true?

Jillian's hometown was over the top warm and fuzzy - usually a terrific edit sign for the F1. Even though Jason has now seen her vulnerable side and appreciates her strong spirit, there is still a BUT in his mind. Does it have to do with passion? Her family also seems the closest in personality to what we saw of Jason's family last year. It looks like a perfect match on paper. What's missing? One thing I noticed missing was that as soon as his car door closed, she was "catapulting" back into the house to be with her family. No lingering look, no wave goodbye. Molly stood in the driveway and watched him drive away. Naomi didn't seem to want to let him leave. We didn't see the car scene with Melissa because they ended it in her hotel suite.

Oh, one other interesting edit insert - other than the wonky rose order - did you notice when the Dallas segment started they showed Jason driving down a road, as if he is driving to see Melissa? HA! That was cut in from the first night intro section where he and Ty are driving down PCH to their Malibu Pad. AND they used that cut in twice during his VO regarding Melissa. WHY?

Weirdness abounds this episode.

Good post.. I feel the same way about the dates. Of course they probably editted things out that could sway the way we feel they actually went.

[MelJayFan2009]

Originally Posted by BritLit

My take is exactly the opposite--I think the edit is putting Melissa on a platter and getting ready to throw her in the fire. The others are shown as fun and adventure loving, Mel as needy and sad. Jill goes to the winery; Naomi goes on a horseback ride; Molly plays golf at the country club. Melissa sits on the grass.

At each of the homes, something fun happens (even if we aren't shown it)--beer pong with Molly's parents, Jason has to sing O Canada while wearing ridiculous boxers at Jillian's, hula hoops and a dove funeral at Naomi's. Melissa? Completely uneventful dinner. Moving on to the hotel--more maudlin discussion.

Jump ahead a week to New Zealand. Jillian and Jason in a heliicopter seeing the most gorgeous scenery in the world, standing on the precipice of a cliff, gorgeous suite and hot tub. Molly and Jason gleefully bungee jumping off a bridge, another gorgeous suite with rose-filled bathtub and what looks like a bedroom from a movie set. Melissa and Jason sitting on a tour boat, sitting in the most boring brown hotel room imaginable, having another sad conversation.

According to the edit she is getting, the only way Melissa gets to be F1 is if a Fairy Godmother appears and waves a magic wand. And the way that she's being shown? I'll bet her fan base is dropping faster than the DOW Jones average. . .If Melissa gets proposed to it will go down in bachelor annals as "The Pity Proposal."

Well, that would be in keeping with Melissa's being the "cinderella" story....And so far, I don't think any of us avowed Melissa fans have given any signs of turning on her. I think most of us support her more than ever. If anything, I've seen here more positive posts about Melissa from posters who until now were not that into her.

[ZulaMay]

Originally Posted by BritLit

My take is exactly the opposite--I think the edit is putting Melissa on a platter and getting ready to throw her in the fire. The others are shown as fun and adventure loving, Mel as needy and sad. Jill goes to the winery; Naomi goes on a horseback ride; Molly plays golf at the country club. Melissa sits on the grass.

At each of the homes, something fun happens (even if we aren't shown it)--beer pong with Molly's parents, Jason has to sing O Canada while wearing ridiculous boxers at Jillian's, hula hoops and a dove funeral at Naomi's. Melissa? Completely uneventful dinner. Moving on to the hotel--more maudlin discussion.

Jump ahead a week to New Zealand. Jillian and Jason in a heliicopter seeing the most gorgeous scenery in the world, standing on the precipice of a cliff, gorgeous suite and hot tub. Molly and Jason gleefully bungee jumping off a bridge, another gorgeous suite with rose-filled bathtub and what looks like a bedroom from a movie set. Melissa and Jason sitting on a tour boat, sitting in the most boring brown hotel room imaginable, having another sad conversation.

According to the edit she is getting, the only way Melissa gets to be F1 is if a Fairy Godmother appears and waves a magic wand. And the way that she's being shown? I'll bet her fan base is dropping faster than the DOW Jones average. . .If Melissa gets proposed to it will go down in bachelor annals as "The Pity Proposal."

Actually, Jillian was shown as needy and sad this episode too. She talked about her tough childhood and broke down and cried. The difference is that with her, it came across as positive: the "pillar of strength" girl showing the vulnerable side that Jason needed to see. Melissa didn't act needy so much as she was portrayed that way by the situation and by her friends.

[anders332]

Originally Posted by ZulaMay

Actually, Jillian was shown as needy and sad this episode too. She talked about her tough childhood and broke down and cried. The difference is that with her, it came across as positive: the "pillar of strength" girl showing the vulnerable side that Jason needed to see. Melissa didn't act needy so much as she was portrayed that way by the situation and by her friends.

I didn't see that at all....she was emotional when relating her mom's history to Jason, but I wouldn't call that needy or sad.

[cantstopwatchin]

Originally Posted by MelJayFan2009

Well, that would be in keeping with Melissa's being the "cinderella" story....And so far, I don't think any of us avowed Melissa fans have given any signs of turning on her. I think most of us support her more than ever. If anything, I've seen here more positive posts about Melissa from posters who until now were not that into her.

I'll stand up and say that I cringed a few times while watching Melissa last night. It definitely didn't do anything to make me fall in love or feel sad for her. Now, more than ever, I'm left wondering why he chooses her! Obviously the subject of not meeting her parents was a big enough issue on Jason's mind that he asked her friends specific questions in regards to them. Typically, in any other season, that would have raised LOTS of questions in viewers' minds. However, since Melissa has been annointed "the chosen one", that fact is ignored this season.

All of the HTDs had the embarrassing/questioning moments except Jillian's. Naomi's-- well, 'nuff said. Melissa's-- not only her parents, but also her brother? They edited her like a wounded dove (ha-ha) who needs a guy to protect and cherish her. [Yes, I know, who doesn't want that! But my point is that she's being edited as weak and needy!!] For Molly, they left the "DO NOT cry in the limo if you get sent home..." quote in there. Seriously? I thought he was intimating that she shouldn't sleep with him... until they clarified and she laughed at it. It just confirmed my feelings that she's all about the competition and won't worry about who she steps on to get there--yikes! And people like that don't necessarily appreciate competition from adorable little 4 year olds!!

IDK. Last night, esp with all the editing catches that people have made, has really got me wondering about things.

In the end, I think Jason NEEDS to be that knight in shining armor, and that's why he chooses Melissa. I, for one, still don't see it though.