What's up with that edit??!!

[bamabrain]

Originally Posted by cupcakes

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Thanks, cupcakes, for verifying what I said. As an adjective, the word "amazing" doesn't have that many synonyms. However, there is the superlative form, "the most amazing ever." I'm sure we're hear that ad nauseum also.

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[Valen]

I was just discussing this over at the screencaps thread and wanted to bring my thoughts over here and something I've noticed and have been discussing the last few seasons regarding the "doubt" storyline:

I agree about the editing and introducing doubt. The one thing that has not changed about the edit is what I call the "doubt" storyline. Both of the F2 always have it but only the F1 gets to the resolve. It's simply good storytelling.

Think about every romantic comedy you have seen. First, they always have the beginning part where the couple meets and usually sparks fly. Second, the "doubt" storyline is introduced, it can be some kind of obstacle, something is discovered about one of them, or some action taken by one of them that causes doubt/problems. Finally, the rest of the movie is about overcoming the doubt, seeing past the doubt, or turning the doubt into a positive.

The editors have so much to work with. For example, Andy was gaga over Tessa and pursuing her. They had to center the doubt storyline around her and whether she could accept that love can really happen on a reality tv show. The couch scene during her HTD was the beginning of the resolve and necessary for the storyline and why they left in the scene where she said she wanted to fall in love with him and he said the same back.

It's storytelling 101 and a good indicator of who's storyline they are developing.

[Lellis819]

Originally Posted by Valen

I was just discussing this over at the screencaps thread and wanted to bring my thoughts over here and something I've noticed and have been discussing the last few seasons regarding the "doubt" storyline:

I agree about the editing and introducing doubt. The one thing that has not changed about the edit is what I call the "doubt" storyline. Both of the F2 always have it but only the F1 gets to the resolve. It's simply good storytelling.

Think about every romantic comedy you have seen. First, they always have the beginning part where the couple meets and usually sparks fly. Second, the "doubt" storyline is introduced, it can be some kind of obstacle, something is discovered about one of them, or some action taken by one of them that causes doubt/problems. Finally, the rest of the movie is about overcoming the doubt, seeing past the doubt, or turning the doubt into a positive.

The editors have so much to work with. For example, Andy was gaga over Tessa and pursuing her. They had to center the doubt storyline around her and whether she could accept that love can really happen on a reality tv show. The couch scene during her HTD was the beginning of the resolve and necessary for the storyline and why they left in the scene where she said she wanted to fall in love with him and he said the same back.

It's storytelling 101 and a good indicator of who's storyline they are developing.

You get an A+...as a former teacher I feel qualified to give you that grade because it is basic writing scenario! In a romantic comedy...well we've heard it...Boy meets girl, Boy gets girl, boy sees problem, boy loses girl...Boy gets GIRL!

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by Valen

I was just discussing this over at the screencaps thread and wanted to bring my thoughts over here and something I've noticed and have been discussing the last few seasons regarding the "doubt" storyline:

I agree about the editing and introducing doubt. The one thing that has not changed about the edit is what I call the "doubt" storyline. Both of the F2 always have it but only the F1 gets to the resolve. It's simply good storytelling.

Think about every romantic comedy you have seen. First, they always have the beginning part where the couple meets and usually sparks fly. Second, the "doubt" storyline is introduced, it can be some kind of obstacle, something is discovered about one of them, or some action taken by one of them that causes doubt/problems. Finally, the rest of the movie is about overcoming the doubt, seeing past the doubt, or turning the doubt into a positive.

The editors have so much to work with. For example, Andy was gaga over Tessa and pursuing her. They had to center the doubt storyline around her and whether she could accept that love can really happen on a reality tv show. The couch scene during her HTD was the beginning of the resolve and necessary for the storyline and why they left in the scene where she said she wanted to fall in love with him and he said the same back.

It's storytelling 101 and a good indicator of who's storyline they are developing.

One of the elements of the story is the conflict which has to be resolved. If there is no conflict, then there is no story. Conflict/resolution are key elements in storytelling.

You are right. Sometimes there simply isn't any doubt introduced, and therefore no matter how wonderful that person is, if there is no conflict to be resolved, there is no F1.

2 of the "wonderful F3s" as I call them that come to mind exemplify this statement:

Amanda in Matt's series was the "All American girl." She had meeps, but that was not made into a conflict. There was no conflict. We simply saw her story and storyline peter out at F3, for his lack of interest.

The next example is Ryan in Jen Sheft's season. We were all very impressed with this guy. What wasn't to like? However, there wasn't a problem/conflict that was ever introduced in his storyline either, and when she cut him at F3, the only explanation we got was that the Hometown date ( "Thailand, Thailand") didn't go well.

[Mpunfun48]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

Exactly, but with what I (originally theorized by Casual Fan ) think is a diabolical twist. ( Darn Fleiss can't give us just a sweet love story no matter what).

Jason will choose the lovely brunette that we have seen at the FRC.

However, she is just blurry enough that you can't see exactly who she is.

Now, we get these previews of DeAnna ( who looks controversially like Melissa) returning to tell Jason that she has made a mistake.
Immediate outrage....she had her chance, and she turned him down. How dare DeAnna come bustin' back in and tried to win him back?

Meanwhile, Jason is doing his round of pre and early show interviews. He is playing right along with the scenario with carefully worded answers. "Yes, I was surprised that she showed up." Yes, she said she made a mistake." "You will have to watch and see what happens."
Even Ellen plays into this ploy with her card of the Bachelorettes on one side, and DeAnna on the back ( which since she usually gives her predictions, I think was done on purpose to help ABC advance this carefully orchestrated ruse).
Notice he stops just short of saying what she was really doing there, so he helps the producers heighten the suspense and foster the pretense and deception they are trying to perpetrate upon the viewing public.

The non-viewing audience which doesn't realize that DeAnna doesn't come back until the very last episode has all season to sit and think that DeAnna may win Jason back, and that the brunette that they saw at the FRC is DeAnna. They are going to stay tuned in to see this drama.

We know from sleuthing that it isn't DeAnna, but instead is Melissa.
(Even if by some very wild chance it wasn't Melissa, it would be Jillian - but it isn't DeAnna).

Darn Fleiss I don't know whether to tip my hat off to him for the cleverness of that strategy, or to figuratively shoot him a bird ( not really my style, but )

There's no possibility Deanna is back for Jason and I can't fathom who would even buy into that silly secnario. It is obvious what she is saying -- that is, SHE made a mistake by getting engaged too soon. She wants Jason to avoid that and take his time really getting to know the chosen one. It's that simply. "You haven't proposed yet . . . " Deanna is there for drama, BUT most of the photos of her and Jason are repeats from her season. I even recognize quite a few of them. I believe they have the one visit and that is it. The rest of it is left overs from her season.

[VelvetRed]

Originally Posted by Mpunfun48

There's no possibility Deanna is back for Jason and I can't fathom who would even buy into that silly secnario. It is obvious what she is saying -- that is, SHE made a mistake by getting engaged too soon. She wants Jason to avoid that and take his time really getting to know the chosen one. It's that simply. "You haven't proposed yet . . . " Deanna is there for drama, BUT most of the photos of her and Jason are repeats from her season. I even recognize quite a few of them. I believe they have the one visit and that is it. The rest of it is left overs from her season.

I agree that DeAnna is there for drama for the show, fame/$ for her.

So I guess we'll have an additional episode "Jason Tells Why He Didn't Take DeAnna's Advice". Or, "DeAnna Becomes Ty's Godmother". This could go on forever, and probably will.

[hopelessroman]

Originally Posted by Mpunfun48

There's no possibility Deanna is back for Jason and I can't fathom who would even buy into that silly secnario. It is obvious what she is saying -- that is, SHE made a mistake by getting engaged too soon. She wants Jason to avoid that and take his time really getting to know the chosen one. It's that simply. "You haven't proposed yet . . . " Deanna is there for drama, BUT most of the photos of her and Jason are repeats from her season. I even recognize quite a few of them. I believe they have the one visit and that is it. The rest of it is left overs from her season.

That is the actual scenario, but ITA with Bloomers postings about how Fleiss made it look. Jason was just too genuine and you could see his emotions too much. . .therefore they re-added the Deanna line to add doubt as Valen and Bloomers pointed out.

Great post Bloomers! As usual your psychological analysis is spot on.

[dpao84]

What did everyone think the conflict was with Trista and Ryan's story? The fact that she was into Charlie as well? Or that she wasn't sure if she would move to the Mountains? I dont think there was much conflict in their story, it was just more of a who is she going to pick type deal.

As much as I think they'll play off of the "will Melissa be ready to settledown" edit, I dont think they'll blow it out of proportion only because when all the dust settles and the last rose is given out they want the viewers to firmly beleive that this is going to work out between these two. TPTB need a success story big time, Ryan and Trista aren't enough anymore.

[sjcaligurl]

Originally Posted by dpao84

What did everyone think the conflict was with Trista and Ryan's story? The fact that she was into Charlie as well? Or that she wasn't sure if she would move to the Mountains? I dont think there was much conflict in their story, it was just more of a who is she going to pick type deal.

As much as I think they'll play off of the "will Melissa be ready to settledown" edit, I dont think they'll blow it out of proportion only because when all the dust settles and the last rose is given out they want the viewers to firmly beleive that this is going to work out between these two. TPTB need a success story big time, Ryan and Trista aren't enough anymore.

There wasn't really a conflict with Ryan but he was soooo quiet that a lot of people didn't see it coming. Part of that was that people had an idea of who Trista was and for most the perception was that Charlie would be the best match because of her outgoing personality and her seemingly so-called superficialness. He seemed like the total package just as Jeremy did for DeAnna. There is a youtube clip of that season where Bob is questioning how she could like Ryan because she was so outgoing and concluding that if she liked Ryan, she could never like him. I knew it was Ryan when he stayed up all night drawing her that picture of the white tiger. The other b-day gifts the guys gave her really didn't show that they'd listened/heard what she liked or who she was ... not to mention that of the final 4, one guy lived with his mother and the other was "in between jobs" ... That made it truly easy for her. I knew it was Ryan half way through just like I knew it was Jesse by their one on one date. People have to stop picking horses and looking at screencaps and start reading between the edit.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by sjcaligurl

There wasn't really a conflict with Ryan but he was soooo quiet that a lot of people didn't see it coming. Part of that was that people had an idea of who Trista was and for most the perception was that Charlie would be the best match because of her outgoing personality and her seemingly so-called superficialness. He seemed like the total package just as Jeremy did for DeAnna. There is a youtube clip of that season where Bob is questioning how she could like Ryan because she was so outgoing and concluding that if she liked Ryan, she could never like him. I knew it was Ryan when he stayed up all night drawing her that picture of the white tiger. The other b-day gifts the guys gave her really didn't show that they'd listened/heard what she liked or who she was ... not to mention that of the final 4, one guy lived with his mother and the other was "in between jobs" ... That made it truly easy for her. I knew it was Ryan half way through just like I knew it was Jesse by their one on one date. People have to stop picking horses and looking at screencaps and start reading between the edit.

Not only did we hear all the way through how Charlie was the guy who caught Trista's eye as he got out of the limo ( we didn't hear her say that about Ryan over and over), but it was made clear through out the episodes by Trista on PIs and voiceovers and then on the LCDs by her family that Charlie was the kind of guy that she had always gone for. Also, inherent was the idea that Charlie's life was in California, and that was where the California girl that Trista had become wanted to live.

On the other hand, the quiet fireman Ryan who lived and loved living in the mountains of Colorado was in many ways the opposite of what Trista had always dated and wanted.

The conflict was: Could Trista fall for this different kind of guy (Ryan) with a totally different livingstyle from hers and be happy enough to marry him and move from her world to his world?