What's up with that edit??!!

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by SewCrazy

Like usual, you've nailed it in your very thoughtful analysis, Bloomers. One can almost see the wheels turning in Fleiss' little evil brain.

I'm sure the plan was not there in the beginning of filming, but was hatched in early to mid November ... let's see, DeAnna breaks up with Jesse the first week of November and Jason's intended becomes Melissa, a brunette who looks quite a bit like De (especially from the back). Let's get DeAnna to cut her hair about the same length as Melissa's, fly her out to NZ, get her to say some carefully scripted words to Jason while giving him "advice" that can then be edited to sound like something entirely different. We'll rile up the viewing public and make them think DeAnna is in competition w/ F1.

It is pretty genius and pure Fleissian.

nice job! I visit 4 different boards, and in the past week the #1 buzz is DeAnna's return. It is controversial, and tempers flare. However, there is that small minority out there that believes maybe she does come back, and maybe it is a good thing - wasn't she good with Jason on her show? Don't relationships where people get back together happen in real life? ( Yeah, that happened with me and Brand X, and I see how far that got me - but that is a different story all together)

Notice at least on one interview when questioned about DeAnna's return, he very carefully rewords and parrots the question without giving any more answers: "Yes, she said she made a mistake."

I think he has been well coached, and I think he has either learned how to control his poker face, or Chris Harrison doesn't know as much as he thinks he does about Jason because Jason did not give away a whole lot.

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[MayBaby]

Sorry if I am posting out of turn as I have not had a chance to read *all* the many forums, but I completely agree on your posts positing that the previews of Deanna's "return" were skewed so they could be used as a ratings ploy.
Is there *any* chance that the proposal screencaps given up so early could be at all the same? Didn't the girls go on some sort of soap opera date? Could Jason be "proposing" off a script as part of that?
- Not to say that Melissa isn't the one in the end, anyway. Just wondering.
Love the FORT!

[atem]

Originally Posted by MayBaby

Sorry if I am posting out of turn as I have not had a chance to read *all* the many forums, but I completely agree on your posts positing that the previews of Deanna's "return" were skewed so they could be used as a ratings ploy.
Is there *any* chance that the proposal screencaps given up so early could be at all the same? Didn't the girls go on some sort of soap opera date? Could Jason be "proposing" off a script as part of that?
- Not to say that Melissa isn't the one in the end, anyway. Just wondering.
Love the FORT!

Good question, but the proposal was done outside and the GH date was done inside.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by MayBaby

Sorry if I am posting out of turn as I have not had a chance to read *all* the many forums, but I completely agree on your posts positing that the previews of Deanna's "return" were skewed so they could be used as a ratings ploy.
Is there *any* chance that the proposal screencaps given up so early could be at all the same? Didn't the girls go on some sort of soap opera date? Could Jason be "proposing" off a script as part of that?
- Not to say that Melissa isn't the one in the end, anyway. Just wondering.
Love the FORT!

Thanks and good question, but there are 5550 posts on the Screencaps thread that have now proven that:

1. The Fantasy Dates ( Melissa, Molly, Jillian) took place in south NZ.

2. The Last Chance Dates and the FRC (Melissa and Molly) took place in north NZ.

The places in the screencaps match up with places actually found in pictures in those spots in New Zealand.

Please continue to post with us on this thread! We are going to have fun as we get further into the season.

[MayBaby]

Thanks, atem and Bloomers! for succintly explaining [w/o my having viewed the 5,550 posts]. Appreciate it. [And your patience w/ a newcomer.]

[remotecontrol]

I re-watched the first episode knowing that no 1:1 time was shown with Melissa. I concentrated on watching the rose ceremony.

What I thought was that everyone recieved a kiss on the cheek except for the following:

Molly: half cheek / half lip
Melissa: lips
Jillian: wasn't shown

Something had to happen with the 1:1 with Melissa in order for Jason to feel so comfortable kissing her on the lips.

And why was Jillian's accepting the rose the only one not shown?

Anway, it appears from the very beginning, he had a strong interest in those 3 women.

[satorus]

Originally Posted by remotecontrol

I re-watched the first episode knowing that no 1:1 time was shown with Melissa. I concentrated on watching the rose ceremony.

What I thought was that everyone recieved a kiss on the cheek except for the following:

Molly: half cheek / half lip
Melissa: lips
Jillian: wasn't shown

Something had to happen with the 1:1 with Melissa in order for Jason to feel so comfortable kissing her on the lips.

And why was Jillian's accepting the rose the only one not shown?

Anway, it appears from the very beginning, he had a strong interest in those 3 women.

Nice pickup - he's narrowing it down right away - especially if these three get the first 1 on 1's. It will be edited to show interest in a lot of girls though to keep 'us' guessing.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by remotecontrol

I re-watched the first episode knowing that no 1:1 time was shown with Melissa. I concentrated on watching the rose ceremony.

What I thought was that everyone recieved a kiss on the cheek except for the following:

Molly: half cheek / half lip
Melissa: lips
Jillian: wasn't shown

Something had to happen with the 1:1 with Melissa in order for Jason to feel so comfortable kissing her on the lips.

And why was Jillian's accepting the rose the only one not shown?



Anway, it appears from the very beginning, he had a strong interest in those 3 women.

If you will re-think past seasons, it will become evident that they have edited the obvious interest in the F3 and sometimes F4.

Think Andy:

We saw all of the connections with the F3: Bevin and her leg scars (physical)F2; Danielle's mutual conversation about losing a loved one in death (emotional) F3; and Tessa's Muffin joke and then travel conversation with him (emotional and physical)

Think Matt:

Shayne's conversation about Hollywood but how she was there for him (physical/emotional); Chelsea's arm-wrestling (physical); Amanda's FIR and the speech about her being the ideal wife material (emotional)

Think DeAnna:

Jeremy's FIR and quiet impact he made on her coming out of the car.
Jesse's visual/physical impact on her
Jason's dance and warm conversation with her ( Jenni was impressed with Jason as well)

There are other seasons as well, but those are the ones that I can instantly recall.

[justson]

Originally Posted by remotecontrol

I re-watched the first episode knowing that no 1:1 time was shown with Melissa. I concentrated on watching the rose ceremony.

What I thought was that everyone recieved a kiss on the cheek except for the following:

Molly: half cheek / half lip
Melissa: lips
Jillian: wasn't shown

Something had to happen with the 1:1 with Melissa in order for Jason to feel so comfortable kissing her on the lips.

And why was Jillian's accepting the rose the only one not shown?

Anway, it appears from the very beginning, he had a strong interest in those 3 women.

I just watched again too. They did show Jillian getting the rose...her answer was "I do" then she gave him a hup and accepted the rose.

I also noticed that he kissed Melissa square on the lips.

[ThePhantomsGirl]

They are reshowing The Bachelor tonight. I'm going to watch it again tonight to see what my reactions are given all the interesting info, thoughts and speculation on here.

I don't watch a lot of reality TV (unless you count Dancing With the Stars). I've actually watched very few of the Bachelor/Bachelorette seasons. Got caught up somehow (still haven't figured out why) with Rock of Love. Maybe it was the lure of watching a train wreck unfold - LOL!

Usually in anything my favorites do not win. ROL was the only one where I picked both winners. On TB I actually like Stephanie the best for various reasons, even if I do find her looks a little off putting. So I already KNOW she will NOT win!

There is a large part of me that likes sitting back and watching the way TPTB not-so-gently push/shove viewers into thinking who should win. ("take that you idiot viewers - do you think YOU can decide on your own?") It's fascinating to see how they edit things - even going so far as to spice things to make it sound or look like a contestant/participant said or did something.

Finding this forum has made a sort of hum-drum show (much as I do like Jason) fun! I'm looking forward to the finale even more so as I want to see if the sleuths on here have gotten it right. There has been some AMAZING work done on here. Okay..okay, I just had to use that word...

Smiles,
Holly