What's up with that edit??!! - Page 14

jlccaz · 01-08-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_peach

That is how I feel. Knowing what I know, I can enjoy watching their

story unfold.

As Margo Channing says in All About Eve, "Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night." Every single season the final product as aired includes many scenes and plot lines to "wreck" the "unfolding" love story. It's never a clean presentation -- it can't be. Conflict is a necessary ingredient. Suspense they've thrown out the window, for some reason.

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Bloomers · 01-08-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Schniz16

as much as i LOVE LOVE and appreciate all the theories going around on here... i'm not making any assumptions until that final episode. Looking back at some previous seasons (Deanna being the most recent), i was POSITIVE she was going to choose Jason. What kind of heartless b&#@* would take a man with a young child that far, only to dump him at the very end? i thought that the editing was absolutly in Jason's favor during her season. Plus, remember all the rumors going around on here last season about how Jesse had a girlfriend he broke up with weeks into taping, and how Deanna found out during her season? People even went so far as to say that Jason came into Jesse's date with Deanna's family so she had support when she confronted jesse about all the alligations. and none of that turned out to be true. There is always speculation and always rumors going around. As much as i LOVE reading about them on here, i'm not placing any bets until the final rose is being handed out (and until we get to know the girls a bit more...)

There were several things going on last season:

1. It is a toss up whether the biggest problem was the extremely poor job of editing we got or whether it was that we completely bought into false/conflicting, changing and even worse betraying inside info ( from some cast members who made friends with us and thought it would be funny to mess with us

).

2. My biggest interest in this show is in the editing. I am not a writer, but throughout my teaching career I taught the fundamentals of writing to Middle School students, and I know good and bad writing techniques when I see them. Last season's editing was an extremely poor example of writing craftsmanship if the ultimate purpose of writing is communication. If that writing team was the best that ABC could get out of the potential pool of Hollywood talent, then I would say that they got rooked.

3. Although we had screencaps last season, we did not have comparable screencaps to this season. We were not able to look at last season's scs and locate places in such a way that we could pinpoint some of the things with as much of a certainty as we are able to do this season.

4. I was much more symphathetic to DeAnna than many people going into her season, and I was certainly willing to give her a chance and to believe in her and in her ability to choose a partner that would be all around acceptable for her and the family within the culture that they live. With as much diplomacy as I can, I am going to say that in some ways I believe that maybe the edit also reflected that with which they ultimately had to work.

I think for a great many people it would have taken a tremendous suspension of belief to have imagined that what transpired during that season and the ultimate ending actually was going to happen.
Thus, we are still getting reaction after reaction like yours.

Finally, when you take all of it into consideration, you get what was last season.

bizbachfan · 01-08-2009, 10:18 AM

not sure what the general viewing public thought. however I do think they did not show much of the love story between Jesse and D. For one thing I think Graham was her original first choice. I think also the producers wanted Jason to stay as long as possible so he could be set up for first single dad Bachelor. I think they wanted us to think it was Jason. However on this board the very early rumors about Jesse tainted many posters view of him. Also the board wanted a more mature guy for D even though she clearly is more of a Jesse type of girl (even though she dumped him) D seems to morph into whatever she thinks everyone wants her to be. Her lack of self awareness is probably why she is still single. Not a bad thing, she needs to find her own way.

Even though they did not throw the love story in our face Jesse was front and center the whole time. He got a FIB, he won nearly every contest. He got a very romantic one on one date. He had a romantic carriage ride on his hometown date. He got a second chance to has her Dad to marry her, he got the much more romantic LCD, etc. I saw it, but many did not.

the lack of one on one time with Melissa makes me think she is the one, Jason must have lit up on the first night with her.

anders332 · 01-08-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FairyTaleLove

Honestly, I think the tears are because he knows what it feels like to go to the FRC, thinking you've found the love of your life and get your heart crushed. He actually did love DeAnna, he DID propose to her...only to be crushed. So I imagine he'd be devastated to know he's going to do that to someone who loves him.

The tears fit with the person he seems to be.

Oh and edited to add that the tears are definitely at Rahimoana, so they are about whoever is in the final two, I believe.

The problem I have with the tears scene is that he's leaning over a glass fence, which we saw in the very beginning in some of his PIs, so I thought it was somewhere in LA (his place maybe) and the F3 RC and FRC take place in NZ...correct???

jlccaz · 01-08-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by anders332

The problem I have with the tears scene is that he's leaning over a glass fence, which we saw in the very beginning in some of his PIs, so I thought it was somewhere in LA (his place maybe) and the F3 RC and FRC take place in NZ...correct???

That's the balcony at Eagle's Nest, where FRC takes place.

anders332 · 01-08-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bizbachfan

well some of us ignored the Jesse rumors as they were just that and saw the love story between Jesse and D. But there was no conclusive FRC evidence that time...so it was just sleuthing. I disagree it was heartless to take Jason that far. Its been debated on here. But really Jason signed up for it.... and he got what he signed up for. To let him get down on the knee was cruel. However its not fair to make the bachelor/bachelorette use the kid thing for consideration. This time Jason will be the one keeping 2 ladies from their kids. (one is only 14 months!) but you can't blame him.
I think Jason might have been let go earlier but Graham bailed and Jeremy was much more fragile than Jason. the producers don't let you know skip the frc

That is definitely the difference this season, we actually have live action previews of Jason on his knee proposing to and putting a ring on a lady's finger, who clearly has identifiable moles and a bluish dress - as far back as I can remember, we've NEVER been given this kind of information this early. We got Jen's hand during PLo's proposal, but just that, no dress to identify her as soon as we know what both ladies will be wearing.

Graham leaving when he did screwed up Deanna's order, I've heard Deanna reportedly said that Jason was supposed to go at F4, but I wonder why she didn't let him go at F3 and take Jeremy to F2 - doesn't matter which you take, if you're not picking either.

anders332 · 01-08-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jlccaz

That's the balcony at Eagle's Nest, where FRC takes place.

you're right - I just did a google search on the place, it is spectacular!!

bizbachfan · 01-08-2009, 10:36 AM

she didn't take jeremy to f2 because producers wanted Jason and jeremy was much more fragile, JMO

enterpriselady · 01-08-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hannelorea

PLo = Prince Lorenzo!

Thanks! I missed that season.

ThePhantomsGirl · 01-08-2009, 11:41 AM

I just wanted to jump in and say this is my absolute favorite thread! I haven't watched all the seasons, but did watch all of DeAnna's show. I seem to remember a show a long time ago that had three bachelorettes in Alaska. I found myself thinking it was all about the editing with the producers trying to make us come to the conclusions and emotions THEY wanted us to have. (can you tell I am a relative newbie to reality tv?)

I believe I am enjoying this board more than the show itself!

01-08-2009, 10:18 AM	#133
bizbachfan FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sunny florida Posts: 1,408	Re: What's up with that edit??!! not sure what the general viewing public thought. however I do think they did not show much of the love story between Jesse and D. For one thing I think Graham was her original first choice. I think also the producers wanted Jason to stay as long as possible so he could be set up for first single dad Bachelor. I think they wanted us to think it was Jason. However on this board the very early rumors about Jesse tainted many posters view of him. Also the board wanted a more mature guy for D even though she clearly is more of a Jesse type of girl (even though she dumped him) D seems to morph into whatever she thinks everyone wants her to be. Her lack of self awareness is probably why she is still single. Not a bad thing, she needs to find her own way. Even though they did not throw the love story in our face Jesse was front and center the whole time. He got a FIB, he won nearly every contest. He got a very romantic one on one date. He had a romantic carriage ride on his hometown date. He got a second chance to has her Dad to marry her, he got the much more romantic LCD, etc. I saw it, but many did not. the lack of one on one time with Melissa makes me think she is the one, Jason must have lit up on the first night with her.

01-08-2009, 10:36 AM	#138
bizbachfan FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sunny florida Posts: 1,408	Re: What's up with that edit??!! she didn't take jeremy to f2 because producers wanted Jason and jeremy was much more fragile, JMO

01-08-2009, 11:41 AM	#140
ThePhantomsGirl FORT Fan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tavares, FL Posts: 331	Re: What's up with that edit??!! I just wanted to jump in and say this is my absolute favorite thread! I haven't watched all the seasons, but did watch all of DeAnna's show. I seem to remember a show a long time ago that had three bachelorettes in Alaska. I found myself thinking it was all about the editing with the producers trying to make us come to the conclusions and emotions THEY wanted us to have. (can you tell I am a relative newbie to reality tv?) I believe I am enjoying this board more than the show itself!