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Old 01-27-2009, 12:01 PM   #1091
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It may be that Molly is not shown as insecure because she doesn't feel the same emotions regarding Jason as Melissa. I do not think she has it for him like Mel.
yeah, I think that's part of it. I keep thinking about Jason describing his kiss with Mel as "passionate". He used that word only to refer to Mel so far and I really think that's what's lacking with Molly. She obviously digs him, but I don't see that spark of life or passion that he may want in a partner in Molly.
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:05 PM   #1092
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Sorry grneyedgirl. I should have put in my usual disclaimer about the "edited version" I've seen of Molly. TPTB will eventually show us why she is F2, but I haven't seen it yet. As I said, I've only seen the "like" she has for Jason so far. We may have to wait until HTD to see that level of feeling from Molly.

I never 'got' why Chelsea was Matt's F2, so we may be left with the same feeling after this season - we're down to F5 now and still don't have the warm and fuzzies for F1 or F2 (or F3 for that matter)
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:11 PM   #1093
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Sorry grneyedgirl. I should have put in my usual disclaimer about the "edited version" I've seen of Molly. TPTB will eventually show us why she is F2, but I haven't seen it yet. As I said, I've only seen the "like" she has for Jason so far. We may have to wait until HTD to see that level of feeling from Molly.
I haven't seen anything but "like" from ALL the girls. I think that some may be in a --WOW!! You are really hot and we are in this pressure cooker that causes me to think about you all. the. time. so therefore I am falling for you really hard--but love?

Sometimes I think that word is passed around a bit too freely.
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:13 PM   #1094
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I don't think that it is fair to assume that Molly doesn't have the same feelings for Jason. Remember, what stirred a lot of emotions with Melissa was the GH date. Molly wasn't on that date so she didn't have to deal with that trainwreck.
First, Chris Harrison said that they were all emotional on that GH wrap party date which means even Jillian got emotional.

Next, Molly had a 1-1, and therefore didn't go on this group date; however, Molly was deliberately excluded from a previous group date earlier. She has not been around Jason as much as some of the others.

( Am I the only one who thinks it is curious that Molly got excluded from a group date? Notice that both Jillian and Melissa were included on all group dates. I personally think he took both of them because he wanted to not because "he needed to know them better" but did not need to know Molly).

In his blog, Jason has carefully defended Molly by saying that they talked all night and that she didn't mean to make anybody uncomfortable (cough, Melissa who smelled him on Molly) by the fact that he loaned her his clothes.

Regardless, the edit specifically colored that date in a particular way, and I think to point to a certain outcome.
In the following excerpt from Chris Harrison's blog, notice how he describes Molly's date:


I loved this date since it gave us another Bachelor first. The first ever Bachelor walk of shame home in the morning in his clothes. The looks and reactions from the other women were priceless. Melissa summed it up best when she said sadly she "smells like him and is wearing his pants."

Even Chris Harrison referred to it as "the walk of shame" which connotes something wrong, shameful, negative. This is not a description of the F1. Chris Harrison has just inadvertently given us his first F2 clue.
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:14 PM   #1095
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I haven't seen anything but "like" from ALL the girls. I think that some may be in a --WOW!! You are really hot and we are in this pressure cooker that causes me to think about you all. the. time. so therefore I am falling for you really hard--but love?

Sometimes I think that word is passed around a bit too freely.
Agreed..we need to remember that the producers and prodding & poking these poor gals all day, and making them rummage through their emotions & past faults (when it comes to love)....
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:18 PM   #1096
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I haven't seen anything but "like" from ALL the girls. I think that some may be in a --WOW!! You are really hot and we are in this pressure cooker that causes me to think about you all. the. time. so therefore I am falling for you really hard--but love?

Sometimes I think that word is passed around a bit too freely.
I'm pretty cautious about using the "L" word myself, grneyedgirl. That is why I said I felt that Melissa "cares very deeply" for Jason. It seems there are certain buzzwords that are used on the show: amazing, connection, etc. We hear them over and over...

It is indeed a pressure cooker created by TPTB to elicit such strong emotions in a short period of time. It works, too. The majority of those sent home are quickly back to normal once they are out of the situation.
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Regardless, the edit specifically colored that date in a particular way, and I think to point to a certain outcome.
In the following excerpt from Chris Harrison's blog, notice how he describes Molly's date:


[b]I loved this date since it gave us another Bachelor first. The first ever Bachelor walk of shame home in the morning in his clothes. The looks and reactions from the other women were priceless. Melissa summed it up best when she said sadly she "smells like him and is wearing his pants."

Even Chris Harrison referred to it as "the walk of shame" which connotes something wrong, shameful, negative. This is not a description of the F1. Chris Harrison has just inadvertently given us his first F2 clue.
When I re-watched I noticed, Molly herself refers to the moment she's walking in the door (in a VO) as "a Bachelor first. The walk of shame." I really can't believe she actually said that. There's a reason they refer to it that way, even if it's a bit tongue-in-cheek.

I also noticed that she had the grace to blush pretty hard when the girls gathered round and were asking her about the date and about her attire.

I hope we don't have another Panty-gate scene, a la Chelsea, on the FD for Molly. But, I think they are giving her that kind of edit so far, which is so unnecessary. The tent flap zipped, the sounds overlaying the visual, conotate something, even if it was as innocent as can be.
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When I re-watched I noticed, Molly herself refers to the moment she's walking in the door (in a VO) as "a Bachelor first. The walk of shame." I really can't believe she actually said that. There's a reason they refer to it that way, even if it's a bit tongue-in-cheek.

I also noticed that she had the grace to blush pretty hard when the girls gathered round and were asking her about the date and about her attire.

I hope we don't have another Panty-gate scene, a la Chelsea, on the FD for Molly. But, I think they are giving her that kind of edit so far, which is so unnecessary. The tent flap zipped, the sounds overlaying the visual, conotate something, even if it was as innocent as can be.
I guarantee you that the phrases "Bachelor first" and "walk of shame" first appeared in a story producers' notes. I hope Molly gets to truthfully tell us how that night really went when she's interviewed later.
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:24 PM   #1099
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First, Chris Harrison said that they were all emotional on that GH wrap party date which means even Jillian got emotional.

Next, Molly had a 1-1, and therefore didn't go on this group date; however, Molly was deliberately excluded from a previous group date earlier. She has not been around Jason as much as some of the others.

( Am I the only one who thinks it is curious that Molly got excluded from a group date? Notice that both Jillian and Melissa were included on all group dates. I personally think he took both of them because he wanted to not because "he needed to know them better" but did not need to know Molly).

In his blog, Jason has carefully defended Molly by saying that they talked all night and that she didn't mean to make anybody uncomfortable (cough, Melissa who smelled him on Molly) by the fact that he loaned her his clothes.

Regardless, the edit specifically colored that date in a particular way, and I think to point to a certain outcome.
In the following excerpt from Chris Harrison's blog, notice how he describes Molly's date:


I loved this date since it gave us another Bachelor first. The first ever Bachelor walk of shame home in the morning in his clothes. The looks and reactions from the other women were priceless. Melissa summed it up best when she said sadly she "smells like him and is wearing his pants."

Even Chris Harrison referred to it as "the walk of shame" which connotes something wrong, shameful, negative. This is not a description of the F1. Chris Harrison has just inadvertently given us his first F2 clue.
I don't understand what your post means in regard to my quoted post.
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I was a bit worried about her edit but you're right, she tempered it with humor and she's always supportive of the other gals.
Just like DeAnna was too frank, Melissa is too honest. She feels like she HAS to tell the girls and the camera everything she is honestly feeling inside. There is honest which is right, and then there is honest to a fault where you need to figure out where the correct line is, draw it, and don't cross it in order to keep somebody from getting hurt.
In this case, it is Melissa herself who is getting hurt by all of her self-professed honesty of negative emotions which just opens her up to other people's judgement of her.

When I was teaching fulltime instead of subbing, I used to tell the Middle School kids I taught that "Everything that goes on in your head does not necessarily need to come out of your mouth."

I love Melissa's bubbly personality, but she does need to learn that she doesn't HAVE to share everything she thinks and feels to still be an honest person.
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