What's up with that edit??!!

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by anders332

He knew what the date was going to be - he hand-picked Molly. But I think he likes her more than she likes him.

I can't say for certain, but I believe Travis and Sarah CAnada got to spend the night together in the tent after she got he rose on the 2:1 date.

At the WTA, Sarah Canada challenged Travis as to why he let her go at F4. Travis rarely lost his composure. However, there was definitely a little rise in him when he looked at her and very pointedly said, "At our camping date, you got drunk and climbed a tree."

With that in mind, I don't think a whole lot went on during their camping date.

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[amy4bama]

Originally Posted by Beachmom

After last night, and even with all of the sleuthers' proof, I'm still not trusting Fleiss. Why would he give definite proof it's a brunette,and then have Molly appear to be F2? That eliminates the suspense of the final rose ceremony. Every time someone mentions the chemistry with Melissa - and I see that too - I remember the chemistry Andy had with Bevin. Why are they showcasing Melissa so much?

I like all the girls. And Jason - so much better than on DeAnna's season (but SHE wasn't one of my favorites).

True, you can't deny the attraction with Melissa and Jason, but I see a lot of Tessa in Jillian!

I understand where your coming from but I do not see chemistry between Jason and Jillian. I mean I think by now if there was going to be some you would have seen it. I've seen more chemistry between him and just about everyone else left (except maybe Stephanie). I will say there appears to be chemistry between him and Molly but it just doesn't look natural to me.

[nutty1]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

Quite frankly?? First, I think those "contest" rose dates are orchestrated. There is absolutely no way that Jesse's song was best last year, but Jesse needed a date, so Jesse won. Molly's wasn't the best either, but Molly needed a date, and hers was cute, so Molly won. It wouldn't have matter, I don't think, even if Molly's had completely sucked. She would have won based on her willingness to get up and give it the "good old college try," so to speak. The result would have been the same; the rationale would have been different.

My uneasiness comes in on the way Molly has been edited spending the night, etc. Would Jillian have been asked to spend the whole night in the tent, shown with the flap closed, and edited with moaning sounded and coming home in Jason's clothes with her own clothes nowhere in sight?
What about the classy Stephanie or the uptight Nikki from whom virtue seems to exude?

We saw Molly put herself out there when she told Jason that she was known for being a good kisser. She then sexually challenges him: Did he want to try it and see? I believe she may have been set up as the possibly edited "easy" target who spends the night on a first date with a man who is dating 8 other women, etc.

I so agree. It didn't matter if one of the girls wrote the next Grammy winning song - Molly was winning that date!

Bloomers, I love how you rationally try to explain the edit. I really enjoy reading your very well put together thoughts.

[miccisue]

JMHO, but I don't get where the "moaning sounds" are coming from. Yes, I saw the show, but I didn't feel the "sounds" were moaning, I thought they were more contented, happy, mmmmmmmmmm sounds. Moaning, to me, is MUCH more "energetic" than what was depicted.

Just my take on it.

[Hilltopmom]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

Quite frankly?? First, I think those "contest" rose dates are orchestrated. There is absolutely no way that Jesse's song was best last year, but Jesse needed a date, so Jesse won. Molly's wasn't the best either, but Molly needed a date, and hers was cute, so Molly won. It wouldn't have matter, I don't think, even if Molly's had completely sucked. She would have won based on her willingness to get up and give it the "good old college try," so to speak. The result would have been the same; the rationale would have been different.

My uneasiness comes in on the way Molly has been edited spending the night, etc. Would Jillian have been asked to spend the whole night in the tent, shown with the flap closed, and edited with moaning sounded and coming home in Jason's clothes with her own clothes nowhere in sight?
What about the classy Stephanie or the uptight Nikki from whom virtue seems to exude?

We saw Molly put herself out there when she told Jason that she was known for being a good kisser. She then sexually challenges him: Did he want to try it and see? I believe she may have been set up as the possibly edited "easy" target who spends the night on a first date with a man who is dating 8 other women, etc.

Exceptional insight into the edit we are seeing of the F2, Bloomers.

You've given us the key to unlocking the editing mystery ~ the dates are orchestrated to tell the story and they "match" the lady as well.

1:1 date to Canadian Alan Thicke concert held in architectural marvel Disney Concert Hall ~ Canadian restaurant designer Jillian.

1:1 casual fun yet romantic beach/blimp date ~ "sporty" as Jason called her, sweet Melissa

1:1 dress up / jewel date ~ fashionista Natalie

2:1 elegant, ballroom dance date ~ pageant girl Nikki and pageant girl/former ballerina Stephanie

And so it will go as TPTB tells us the story of how Jason started with 25 "amazing" women and through his "journey" made a "connection" and fell in love. This is, IMHO, why the edit is a very important part of the sleuthing puzzle.

[gotcharunnin1]

Originally Posted by miccisue

JMHO, but I don't get where the "moaning sounds" are coming from. Yes, I saw the show, but I didn't feel the "sounds" were moaning, I thought they were more contented, happy, mmmmmmmmmm sounds. Moaning, to me, is MUCH more "energetic" than what was depicted.

Just my take on it.

MAYBE IT WAS moaning over the smores and fries and was spliced in!!

[Beachmom]

Originally Posted by amy4bama

I understand where your coming from but I do not see chemistry between Jason and Jillian. I mean I think by now if there was going to be some you would have seen it. I've seen more chemistry between him and just about everyone else left (except maybe Stephanie). I will say there appears to be chemistry between him and Molly but it just doesn't look natural to me.

I agree with you there, but do you think there might be more than we're actually being shown? We haven't seen their interaction a whole lot. I just keep wondering -- why are they pushing Melissa at us? Why aren't they "hiding" her more. You can't deny the chemistry, but it seems they have her commenting on EVERYTHING!

[amy4bama]

Originally Posted by gotcharunnin1

MAYBE IT WAS moaning over the smores and fries and was spliced in!!

Sounds good to me... I agree

[TNmomof4]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

At the WTA, Sarah Canada challenged Travis as to why he let her go at F4. Travis rarely lost his composure. However, there was definitely a little rise in him when he looked at her and very pointedly said, "At our camping date, you got drunk and climbed a tree."

With that in mind, I don't think a whole lot went on during their camping date.

I agree with the bolded statement. Jason and molly were just too stiff with each other when he took her back to the mansion for there to have been any real intimacy between them during the night. Can you imagine the same sceniero with Melissa? They would have been all cuddlely, touching each other, snuggling in the limo etc. I'm sure they just talked all night, or else maybe the tent was just very uncomfortable and that's why she didn't sleep. There just was no sign of an increased connection between them the next morning imo.

[anders332]

I believe that at this part of the process Molly is Jason's F1, I wonder when he switched her over to F2. During the toast where he said one them would be his wife, he was looking directly at Molly.

Bloomers - I understand the end result wasn't the same, but Sarah and Travis did spend the night alone prior to a FD.