What's up with that edit??!!

[4health]

Originally Posted by BachfanNY

I know what you mean.

If I didn't know any better, i would say that he was physically attracted to Melissa (which I think anyway) but that he prefers Jillian...and that would only be becuase she always gets the rose!

So, with editing and thinking as if you don't know the final.... what story is Fleiss trying to tell us. This is what I think the story is telling up to this point:

He is physically attracted to Melissa, no real communication on the future in Seattle.....just her future wanting to teach etc. All of Melissa's PI's is all about her and her connection with Jason. Edit showed that Jason liked the kissing once again all physical. There is a connection but all the edit is showing is physical. No RC 1:1 shown. Clips of Melissa's reaction is shown more then any other girls. She comments on the diamond on her figure during Natalie's date. She comments on falling in love alone.

He asked Molly if she would be willing to move to Seattle in the first 1:1 RC after she steals him away. Molly always asks how he is doing, is it hard are you okay. Their relationship is growing hence Jason opening up about Natalie's date but the edit is showing that Molly twisted their conversation to the fact that Natalie spoke names (but the edit shows Natalie didn't name names and that Jason didn't either). Edit is showing Molly's storyline is growing on it's own not in PI's only. Every RC there is their 1:1 shown. A few clips of Molly's reaction to situations and a few PI's.

Stephanie connection is family......In a PI he was impressed with her and the hardship she has gone through. In a VO he stated that their date was like a family. They has same little intimate moments but was on Stephanie's side.
She has had her 1:1 RC time's shown each week, even when she has had a rose Jason seeking her out.

Jillian, First rose given out in a group, First kiss initiated by Jason. PI from Jason about how fun but VO of her being the life of the party (not sure if it was said about her). 1:1 time on group date was shown discussing marriage and exploring if they think the same. Another group date rose and PI of Jason concerned about a reaction of the girls and not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings but he has to do what is best for him. There really isn't much of reaction shots of Jillian. She is the girl that is being edited to be looking for a certain guy and seeing if Jason fits. (Hence the hot dog comments) There
have been no 1:1 time shown before RC except m&g hot dog scene.

So that is how I see the editing so far......so I ask myself once again what is the editing trying to tell us.

Melissa - physical storyline
Molly - concerned friend
Stephanie - family connection/hardship
Jillian - fun loving, roses (connection), looking for the right guy could it be Jason

If I just went on editing and not knowing the final I would have a really hard time to decide who wins. But if you do some of the tried and true sleuthing on editing I think it would be Melissa F2 not F1 because the all physical storyline never is the F1......and the F1 would be Stephanie/Jillian.

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[raison47]

I think you may be on to something with this season seeming to be similar to Andrews season. I was having trouble getting a feel for what the edit was trying to show. I really think the chemistry between Jason and Melissa is so obvious that they held off showing much of them until they had established another storyline (Molly) that we could buy.

[Capegal]

Originally Posted by amy4bama

I agree with most except the Molly friend edit... I don't see that.

I also disagree with Molly getting the friend edit - and Jillian getting the Tessa's and Melissa getting Bevin's - I would be rearranging those based on what we have seen so far and what we expect to see tonight

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by Capegal

Yes BLOOMERS - there has to be that conflict between the F2 - to keep the mystique in place to that point - and that seems to fall into place starting tonite - and will definitely build from there.

I have no idea whether this is correct, but speculating...what if in actuality the F2 were Jillian and Melissa with Melissa the one? What kind of conflict could they have come up with for Jillian? There certainly isn't anything evil about her. There really isn't anything negative, so how could they pit the two against each other for a plausible contrast and conflict?

Speculating still, it could be that the producers went to Jason at the end of the hometowns and said, "Do you know who you are going to take to F1?" If he said, "Melissa" then I could see where they could have for the sake of the storyline and drama encouraged him to take Molly through as F2 since it wouldn't matter anyway to the final outcome.

Now, where did I even come up with this wild possibility of an idea? There was inside info floating around that Travis indicated to a family member he would have liked to have taken Susan to F2, but the producers wanted Moana.

Now we know from the season that the exquisite wildflower Moana was drama personified. We also know that Travis knew about midway through the process he was taking Sarah Stone back home to Nashville , so if it could happen if that season, perhaps it could happen in this one?

Although I don't see passion and love, I see edited this incredibly, warm, affectionate, positive, and long sustained relationship between Jason and Jillian. This F3 edit is far more developed than any I have ever seen. This could be the reason, or perhaps they are grooming her for the next Bachelorette.

[Hilltopmom]

Originally Posted by Capegal

Yes BLOOMERS - there has to be that conflict between the F2 - to keep the mystique in place to that point - and that seems to fall into place starting tonite - and will definitely build from there.

ITA with both posts. Tonight will be a big night from an editing point of view and in moving the story forward.

We believe that Nikki is cut on the 2 on 1 date and that Stephanie stays. No real conflict there, that we have seen. Probably just more of a connection with Stephanie ~ both single parents, etc.

Megan is let go tonight as well. Probably Jason "doubts" their small connection, would she leave her rewarding / fulfilling job as a lacrosse coach and mentor to young women, is she truly over Deacon's father, etc. Let's see if we get any answers.

Shannon leaves and I'll bet she is heartbroken. This will not be pleasant to watch. If you remove the implied "stalker" edit, she is really a sweet girl with a huge crush on Jason. He feels a "friend" connection and lets her go to save her further pain.

Lauren, ah yes Lauren. I can't even begin to imagine how this will turn out. Hopefully she relies on her pageant training to remain a lady and not f-bomb him to the moon.

Molly starts her ascent into F2 status. We should see more of the physical connection, but will we see Jason take over as the aggressor? How else do they connect?

Wow....that's alot to cover even in a two hour program. ABC burns up a huge amount of time on commercials so increased screen time will be minimal. No reason to mention the other two lovely ladies....we'll have plenty to chat about with them after the show.

[Capegal]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

I have no idea whether this is correct, but speculating...what if in actuality the F2 were Jillian and Melissa with Melissa the one? What kind of conflict could they have come up with for Jillian? There certainly isn't anything evil about her. There really isn't anything negative, so how could they pit the two against each other for a plausible contrast and conflict?

Speculating still, it could be that the producers went to Jason at the end of the hometowns and said, "Do you know who you are going to take to F1?" If he said, "Melissa" then I could see where they could have for the sake of the storyline and drama encouraged him to take Molly through as F2 since it wouldn't matter anyway to the final outcome.

Now, where did I even come up with this wild possibility of an idea? There was inside info floating around that Travis indicated to a family member he would have liked to have taken Susan to F2, but the producers wanted Moana.

Now we know from the season that the exquisite wildflower Moana was drama personified. We also know that Travis knew about midway through the process he was taking Sarah Stone back home to Nashville , so if it could happen if that season, perhaps it could happen in this one?

Although I don't see passion and love, I see edited this incredibly, warm, affectionate, positive, and long sustained relationship between Jason and Jillian. This F3 edit is far more developed than any I have ever seen. This could be the reason, or perhaps they are grooming her for the next Bachelorette.

About the only conflict that I could see with Jillian - because the F2 need that conflict for story purposes - would be - is Jason right for HER?!? Does he fit into what she is looking for. These questions have somewhat been presented by her own comments - and that is about. She is all the things you mentioned - but..... is she finding what she wants in Jason - instead of the other way around. She is getting a wonderful edit - but the but will come at some point - and it may be just that - she wants that special feeling that they can't live without each other - and maybe she realizes that is not what is happening.

Now the edit for Molly?!? ROFL - we can certainly see where that is coming from and going - the conflict is evident for the F2 slot - the edit is showing us that for sure.

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I don't see a connection between Melissa's edit and Bevin's at all.

I was a Tessa fan, but the biggest problem I had with Bevin's edit is that they went out of their way to be negative with it and it was really rather mean at times. I watched that season with a magnifying glass. Her edit can't be simplified as just sexy, electricity, attraction to Andy. It was that connection combined with the women thinking she was being selfish with Andy AND especially Chris saying things "Everyone hates Bevin." These little details would be carried over into the episode summaries, etc. It wasn't pretty.

No one in this season is getting the F3 edits from that season, IMO. No one, except maybe Megan has had the "Everyone hates..." treatment. Have they? If you had to pigeonhole them and apply them to this season, you'd have, IMO:

Bevin's instant attraction to Andy + Tessa's insecurity/uncertainty/goofiness + Andy's attraction/fascination w/Tessa = Melissa

Bevin's discord with the girls regarding "stealing" Andy + physical attraction (not nearly to the level of Bevin/Andy) = Molly - she's getting something more like Stephanie SCs edit, than Bevin's, so far

Stephanie is getting more of Danielle's F3 edit than Jillian. Danielle = overcoming the death of her boyfriend vs. Stephanie overcoming the death of her husband.

Jillian is a unique F3, IMO. If I had to compare her to any F3, it would be Amanda from Matt's season. Intellectually stimulating, makes him laugh, outgoing, seems like there's chemistry, things seem to be hidden a bit, they're always near each other at the cocktail party. Ultimately nothing wrong with her, there was just someone else that captured his interest more.

That's the key to Jillian's edit, I think - I just don't see Jason being as fascinated with Jillian, engaged by her/enthralled by her, as I've seen in the little snippets he's with Melissa. I also don't see Jillian bowled over by Jason, either. I think it will come down to a mutual "we wish it could be more".

[Lindytafb]

Originally Posted by Capegal

About the only conflict that I could see with Jillian - because the F2 need that conflict for story purposes - would be - is Jason right for HER?!? Does he fit into what she is looking for. These questions have somewhat been presented by her own comments - and that is about. She is all the things you mentioned - but..... is she finding what she wants in Jason - instead of the other way around. She is getting a wonderful edit - but the but will come at some point - and it may be just that - she wants that special feeling that they can't live without each other - and maybe she realizes that is not what is happening.

Now the edit for Molly?!? ROFL - we can certainly see where that is coming from and going - the conflict is evident for the F2 slot - the edit is showing us that for sure.

Bingo. This is exactly what I was saying about Jillian. She is awesome, self assured, happy in her life, but this is not the guy for her. PERIOD!

[Capegal]

It appears that TPTB have turned Shannon back into stalker mode - sadly - when she is shown coming up behind Jason and Megan during their 1n1 talk time tonight - can't they just give this poor gal a break?!?

[Hilltopmom]

A tip of the cap to Bloomers and 4health! It looks like we were all typing at the same time.

It seems that we are viewing the edit and storylines in essentially the same way with a few variations. Whew...I'm relieved. Sometimes I wonder if I am watching the same show that is being discussed. I always respect everyone's opinion and I do carefully consider each point, but struggle to understand how some arrive at their conclusion. That is what makes for a great board, though. Respectful differences of opinion.

Once again, Bloomers and 4Health ~ nicely done.