What's up with that edit??!!

[LAokie]

Originally Posted by VelvetRed

LAokie, you know that this thread is in the Spoilers & Speculation subforum, right?

If you don't want to know much about things turn out, it would be best to perhaps not read any threads in this subforum.

Thanks for posting! I'm not very happy with Renee's edit. Btw, each person has a spoiler and non-spoiler thread, so keep that in mind, too. I'm sure some wonder why each person's thread doesn't have more posts. In my observation, that's because most of the posts about them are in the spoiler-version thread for that person.

Ha - yes i do know it's the spoilers. I'm just checking on stuff about Renee, and scanning through the other stuff. She was shown on the View today so I thought there might be postings. And yes - its all in the editing.

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[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by stilettos

YOU DON'T HAVE TO MISS HER. She can be found.

She was my sidekick on this thread, though. She was great!

[bevorules]

My take on the edit. Fleiss has three distinct edit patterns and all of the past bachelor seasons except Brad fit the mold into one of the three. (If we ever have a season like Brad's again we will have a fourth edit pattern to study. The patterns are nice girl vs right girl edit (recent seasons: PLo/Jen; Byron/Mary if you want I can post full list of which seasons this applies to) this edit is characterized by only slight differences between final two and both getting mainly positive edit. They will use slight negative for F2 (doesn't fit with family, naivete etc) and slight positive for F1 (fit's well w/family, perfect match etc) at the end of the WTA preview to set the table for the edit. The second pattern is the Good vs Evil edit where the editors build vast difference in the personalities of the final two showing good vs evil, sane vs crazy, sweet vs trashy etc. This edit pattern is easy to spot and usually makes for an early discovery of F1 even if you sleuth caps. Recent seasons for this one (Matt/Shayne, Travis/Sarah, Charlie/Sara.) The third edit pattern is the Risk/Reward vs Safety edit where the F1 is somewhat hidden throughout early going and emerges as a favorite later in show. This person is built as having hesitancy to commit or some other issue built as something the couple has to overcome. The F2 is an early favorite but doesn't seem to have any reserve about them and the bachelor. They often throw themselves at him/her or develop easy friendship that is comfortable. They will use words like settle for comfort vs take a risk to set the table during WTA preview. Recent seasons for this one are (Dee/Jesse; Andy/Tessa; Jen/Jerry and Meredith/Ian.) I d on't know yet whether they will build risk vs safety or good vs evil but definitely enough divide between Mol and Mel that it isn't the first one. I will post a follow up as edit develops. Mol is getting a decided "Bevin" edit so we may have the third pattern in play.

[VelvetRed]

Originally Posted by LAokie

Ha - yes i do know it's the spoilers. I'm just checking on stuff about Renee, and scanning through the other stuff. She was shown on the View today so I thought there might be postings. And yes - its all in the editing.

Whew, you scared me. I love spoilers, but I know how some non-spoiler people are very serious about not knowing any spoilers.

[FairyTaleLove]

Originally Posted by BachfanNY

I was dissapointed that we weren't shown 1-1 time with Jason and Mel...although since Jason says he's transparent, maybe he made it obvious that he was into her from the very beginning and Fleiss is trying to downplay it on purpose???

This was my thought as well - since Chris H. said on his blog that Jason shows EVERYTHING he feels on his face...he's totally incapable of hiding it. So that would explain a lot if we get only limited face time with him and Melissa, because it could be blatantly obvious maybe?

There were two different girls who voted Melissa off because of competition, so I think there was definitely more than we saw.

Although in the Meet/Greets, Melissa is the only one who Jason's hand lingered on as she walked away. (That I recall at least.)

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by bevorules

My take on the edit. Fleiss has three distinct edit patterns and all of the past bachelor seasons except Brad fit the mold into one of the three. (If we ever have a season like Brad's again we will have a fourth edit pattern to study. The patterns are nice girl vs right girl edit (recent seasons: PLo/Jen; Byron/Mary if you want I can post full list of which seasons this applies to) this edit is characterized by only slight differences between final two and both getting mainly positive edit. They will use slight negative for F2 (doesn't fit with family, naivete etc) and slight positive for F1 (fit's well w/family, perfect match etc) at the end of the WTA preview to set the table for the edit. The second pattern is the Good vs Evil edit where the editors build vast difference in the personalities of the final two showing good vs evil, sane vs crazy, sweet vs trashy etc. This edit pattern is easy to spot and usually makes for an early discovery of F1 even if you sleuth caps. Recent seasons for this one (Matt/Shayne, Travis/Sarah, Charlie/Sara.) The third edit pattern is the Risk/Reward vs Safety edit where the F1 is somewhat hidden throughout early going and emerges as a favorite later in show. This person is built as having hesitancy to commit or some other issue built as something the couple has to overcome. The F2 is an early favorite but doesn't seem to have any reserve about them and the bachelor. They often throw themselves at him/her or develop easy friendship that is comfortable. They will use words like settle for comfort vs take a risk to set the table during WTA preview. Recent seasons for this one are (Dee/Jesse; Andy/Tessa; Jen/Jerry and Meredith/Ian.) I d on't know yet whether they will build risk vs safety or good vs evil but definitely enough divide between Mol and Mel that it isn't the first one. I will post a follow up as edit develops. Mol is getting a decided "Bevin" edit so we may have the third pattern in play.

That was great! I look forward to hearing how you see this is going to play out. The only thing so far that I have seen negative on Molly is when she was in the lobby during the intro with Naomi and Megan making competitive type remarks. Even if I didn't know, I would have suspected that all of them were getting painted with non F1 brushes. Shayne got away with some of the competitive stuff, but then she was Shayne and that whole set-up.

[FairyTaleLove]

bevorules said: The third edit pattern is the Risk/Reward vs Safety edit where the F1 is somewhat hidden throughout early going and emerges as a favorite later in show. This person is built as having hesitancy to commit or some other issue built as something the couple has to overcome. The F2 is an early favorite but doesn't seem to have any reserve about them and the bachelor. They often throw themselves at him/her or develop easy friendship that is comfortable. They will use words like settle for comfort vs take a risk to set the table during WTA preview. Recent seasons for this one are (Dee/Jesse; Andy/Tessa; Jen/Jerry and Meredith/Ian.) I don't know yet whether they will build risk vs safety or good vs evil but definitely enough divide between Mol and Mel that it isn't the first one.

Was Jesse ever thought of as a fan favorite? I don't say that to be mean, I'm just curious...I know there were some people who liked him, but I didn't see a lot of posts about him until it was confirmed he was in F2 then the debate about Jesse vs. Jason was on. But I think you're right - they have story arcs that they work from and they will edit to create the character they want to tell the story they want to tell.

I think in the Mol vs. Mel thing, we've seen that Mol isn't afraid to go get what she wants...we saw her pull Jason away twice, and once from the girl who stole her from him. And we saw Melissa sit back and not approach, not get approached. They've already been edited on opposite sides of the spectrum in how they dealt with the first meeting, so I think you've pegged the story arc for this season.

[RoseGardener]

Originally Posted by FairyTaleLove

This was my thought as well - since Chris H. said on his blog that Jason shows EVERYTHING he feels on his face...he's totally incapable of hiding it. So that would explain a lot if we get only limited face time with him and Melissa, because it could be blatantly obvious maybe?

There were two different girls who voted Melissa off because of competition, so I think there was definitely more than we saw.

Although in the Meet/Greets, Melissa is the only one who Jason's hand lingered on as she walked away. (That I recall at least.)

I posted this in the Melissa thread, but it fits here, too. Melissa seems to have a pretty bad poker face, as well. Her reaction shots are almost always very expressive. That seems to be another similarity between her and Jason.

[bachqueen]

Fleiss did a good job fooling the average viewer but the fact that the girl he gives the ring to wears a gold pinkie ring and has a mole on left arm means melissa the winner ! Take it to the bank! If you have a dvr slow down the previews that are showed at the end. melissa is crying and has her hands in front of her face. There you see the ring and the mole. There is the proff melissa the winner.

[jlccaz]

Originally Posted by bachqueen

Fleiss did a good job fooling the average viewer but the fact that the girl he gives the ring to wears a gold pinkie ring and has a mole on left arm means melissa the winner ! Take it to the bank! If you have a dvr slow down the previews that are showed at the end. melissa is crying and has her hands in front of her face. There you see the ring and the mole. There is the proff melissa the winner.

You KNOW the Bachelor editor screwed up his "supertease" preview, when FORT receives dozens of new posts each day for a week straight alerting its members to the exact same (correct) evidence of the identity of the F1.

(welcome bachqueen, a genuine thanks for your sincerity and good intentions in joining the Chorus!)