B13 Thoughts and Comments

[northernviewer]

Originally Posted by Bonbonlover

Jason (and I believe the other bachelorettes) also stated that Melissa was the same on camera as she was off... he stated this after he had been home for a while... So I would gather that she continued to be "who she portrayed". He has stated that she was exactly what he thought he always wanted, but he later realized that he now wanted something different...So she didn't change, but what he wanted changed...

I think they were all talking about how she acted, that doesn't mean that everthing she said about herself is the absolute "truth" and not some embellishment on her part.

Don't forget that Brad didn't say anything negative about Deanna, time told us all we needed to know. Let's see what Melissa is doing a year or so from now... will she be teaching 1st grade? I highly doubt it!

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[denise2802]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

I try hard to stay clear of camps, i.e., Melissa's fan groups/Molly's fan group.
I try to read the edit, the edit stats, and the screencaps instead.

The edit thread will indicate from early on that I realized the edit was terribly skewed and something wasn't right. While Melissa had the F1 screencaps, Molly had the too confident/competitive, too tarty F2 edit but had at the same time the F1 edit stats position - types of anomalies which have indicated in the past a faulty love story or a faulty transaction. In other words, something was screwed up with the edit which indicated that something wasn't right with the whole story either.

Therefore, I took a wait and see position on the RS reveal. I don't jump on bandwagons, but I try to wait for some kind of substantiating proof if possible.

The point when I decided that there was at least a verbal agreement made between Jason and Fleiss/Fletcher for a flip-flop at some point in the process came when USMag and ACCESS both came out and said that they had their own independent sources that had leaked the same info as Reality Steve had revealed.

Neither one of these magazines had any invested emotional interest in Melissa or Molly and much to lose if they printed an out and out lie on a whimsy or just to please a blogger.

Maybe or maybe not Melissa was Steve's original source - I have no idea who his source was - but what do you do with those other independent sources of information - USMAG and ACCESS that came out and said are not the same as Reality Steve's but corroborate the evidence?

Do we turn our heads and ignore what we don't want to acknowledge?

If Melissa indeed as you have stated revealed that Jason co-spired to make her the F1 that becomes the F2 and that is backed up by other independent sources to USMAG and ACCESS, does that then make Molly and Jason the victims?

Can we fairly and impartially make that claim based on the evidence at hand?

I don't think she conspired with Jason at all - that is not my point. I think what happened is more or less what we saw. And Mel (and Mel's agent) saw a big chance to capitalise and boost Mel's career. Hence the leaks to RS.
Talking of camps: RS is so on Melissa's side it is ridiculous.
And there is no confirmation that Jason met Molly before the ATFR or Mel was blindsided quite the opposite. And there is no evidence of a conspiracy. That was all Mel spin to advance her career. That is why I think Jason and Molly have been treated unfairly.

[going_home]

I find it interesting that Jason (and Molly) are not declaring their love for each other. They are NOT saying: I love Molly, or I love Jason, or we are happy together and really want to make this relationship work, etc.

Any thoughts?

[mommyof2poodles]

Originally Posted by denise2802

I don't think she conspired with Jason at all - that is not my point. I think what happened is more or less what we saw. And Mel (and Mel's agent) saw a big chance to capitalise and boost Mel's career. Hence the leaks to RS.
Talking of camps: RS is so on Melissa's side it is ridiculous.
And there is no confirmation that Jason met Molly before the ATFR or Mel was blindsided quite the opposite. And there is no evidence of a conspiracy. That was all Mel spin to advance her career. That is why I think Jason and Molly have been treated unfairly.

Do we know for a fact that Melissa has an agent? Please show me the proof? If she does, I would think said agent would have only been hired when she was offer DWTS. If she had an agent when offered The Bachelorette, he would have pressed her to do it for his cut.

It is your right to think Jason and Molly have been treated unfairly. I just disagree.

[Irish Hart]

Originally Posted by ~Mindy~

Molly was the wild card. She is the one who challenges him. Melissa was the one with all the qualities he was looking for.

The real challenge is to make a good decision and stick with it then make it work. A little commitment goes a long way.

[mommyof2poodles]

Originally Posted by Irish Hart

The real challenge is to make a good decision and stick with it then make it work. A little commitment goes a long way.

I would have to agree with this statement and say it is very insightful.

[Irish Hart]

Originally Posted by cherryyou

As the saying goes, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.". My gut feeling immediately turned to her. Her behavior in the AFRC 1 and inteviews afterward shrieked 'revenge'. She knew their relationship was 'kaput' but she continued to play the aggrieved totally innocent victim. If she didn't want Jason to have the satisfaction of seeing her hurt, why didn't she just straightforwardly acknowledge the 'break-up'? Why bother knowing the 'whys'? Based on what she told Ellen, that relationship soured pretty much immediately. As to Jason's not telling her about Molly, from what I have learned of men, they are, generally, not that forthcoming on that sort of information. Maybe, I am wrong but I did ask my ex if he would readily volunteer that information and he simply looked at me and then changed the subject.

You talk about "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" brings to my mind Molly. If you haven't watched diary of the departed do so. She goes off on Melissa not being ready to be a wife and mother. We saw a glimpse of her arguing this very point with Jason on the clips from FINAL ROSE 2. An edit omitted from the FINAL ROSE show.

It was laughable to see her judge Melissa as a mom since Mel was so great with TY. Molly's eyes in the diary clip convinced me that I couldn't trust anything she was saying. JMHO

[hom]

Originally Posted by Irish Hart

Molly's eyes in the diary clip convinced me that I couldn't trust anything she was saying. JMHO

The same eyes that cause Jason to believe everything? lol

[pminn1608]

Originally Posted by denise2802

I don't think she conspired with Jason at all - that is not my point. I think what happened is more or less what we saw. And Mel (and Mel's agent) saw a big chance to capitalise and boost Mel's career. Hence the leaks to RS.
Talking of camps: RS is so on Melissa's side it is ridiculous.
And there is no confirmation that Jason met Molly before the ATFR or Mel was blindsided quite the opposite. And there is no evidence of a conspiracy. That was all Mel spin to advance her career. That is why I think Jason and Molly have been treated unfairly.

Your best point, "Mel's agent saw a big chance to capitalize and boost Mel's career". It is pretty darn obvious by now, 3 Realty shows later this woman is looking for a career in limelight and the Bachelor was just one of the steps after the DCC stint. There is a reason why the failed relationships, the "black sheep" status she applied to herself and the fact the parents never went to a single DCC game and refused to come on the Bachelor. The parents knew what this girl was doing, just one more step in her goal of limelight. This woman is striving for her goal which is great. Why are Jason and Molly continually being called out for also going forward with their goals and relationship, and still being called names, especially Molly referred to as "tarty".

[Bonbonlover]

So much is being said about the fact that Melissa is going on DWTS... But I wonder why? She has been a dancer since she was 3. This opportunity was presented to her. By accepting this gig does that negate the fact that she loves children and would like to teach? I don't think so. Just as I don't think she would have stopped dancing had she immediately pursued her teaching aspirations. The mere fact that she went on TB and told Jason that she was willing to move to Seattle with him suggested to me that she was open to new paths in life. For the next few months (how long is DWTS?) she will concentrate on dancing... doesn't mean that she wouldn't like to teach children...