B13 Thoughts and Comments

[Nova14]

Originally Posted by coastalbc

I guess what I was referring to is that according to her, she already knew the breakup was going to happen before she walked onto the stage for the AFTR1. At some time, she apparently started seeing someone else......I didn't think that was allowed till the final show was done. Correct me if I am wrong but IMHO, that is what was said during the Ellen interview. Again, all is IMHO, of course.......

It's a mix. I do think they talked and had a break. She thought they were going to talk about it. Jason claims contract says he has to break on tv and Fleiss says it isn't but certainly won't correct him on it.

Jason then proceeds to do official break so Fleiss can get her humiliation on record for the public to see. She looks surprised because once she gets out there he says, "P.S. It's Molly" so they get a real genuine shot of her sorrow, humiliation and shock.

It makes sense with what they are all saying. She wasn't completely blindsided because she knew they were over but she was blindsided was the taping of break and his being with Molly.

The rules clearly went out the window this year on all fronts. They had tons of leaks, calls to parents, overlapping F1 and F2, Molly talking to family and friends about being Bachelorette, contestants talking about editing, etc. Show lost control and prob doesn't care as they got ratings.

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[coastalbc]

Originally Posted by Nova14

It's a mix. I do think they talked and had a break. Where I think the discrepancy is at is that she didn't know they were going to film a break. She thought they were going to talk about it. Jason claims contract says he has to break on tv and Fleiss says it isn't but certainly won't correct him on it.

Jason then proceeds to do official break so Fleiss can get her humiliation on record for the public to see. She looks surprised because A) she didn't know it would go down this way and B) once she gets out there he says, "P.S. It's Molly" so they get a real genuine shot of her sorrow, humiliation and shock.

It makes sense with what they are all saying. She wasn't completely blindsided because she knew they were over but where she was blindsided was the taping of break and his being with Molly.

The rules clearly went out the window this year on all fronts. They had tons of leaks, calls to parents, overlapping F1 and F2, Molly talking to family and friends about being Bachelorette, contestants talking about editing, etc. Show lost control and prob doesn't care as they got ratings.

As far as her saying that she was seeing someone else, that was said on the interview and as someone posted it in the RS thread as early as Feb. 12, I guess those rumours were true too. I guess, what I am trying to say, IMHO, I don't think she was as much of a victim in this whole thing as she was made out to be in the beginning. . There always seems to be more to the story than we, the general public, are ever privy to.

[Nova14]

Originally Posted by coastalbc

As far as her saying that she was seeing someone else, that was said on the interview and as someone posted it in the RS thread as early as Feb. 12, I guess those rumours were true too. I guess, what I am trying to say, IMHO, I don't think she was as much of a victim in this whole thing as she was made out to be in the beginning. . There always seems to be more to the story than we, the general public, are ever privy to.

Feb 12th would have been about a month after their break up so she did the right thing and waited. I would have preferred her to have a little more healing time and I say same thing about Jason.

She was the victim in that Jason proposed while in love with someone else, He took the engagement too lightly. He followed that up by acting upon that while still with Mel. He should have done break and then gotten with Molly. He would have been in the clear.

BTW..I edited the thread you quoted because I misunderstood break part. Sorry.

[just2relax]

This entire story reminds me of one of my husband's closest friends. Bear with me. Dave and my husband have been friends since 4th grade. I met my husband, Dave and his girlfriend, Jane, the same evening, almost 30 years ago. We became a foursome and I really liked both of them. Dave's reputation has always been the nicest guy ever. Jane was (is) the sweetest, giving friend. They really were a nice, nice couple. A couple of things began bothering me. Basically if Dave told Jane to jump she would answer how high? Since he was (is) a nice guy it didn't happen so often, but sometimes it looked like he was walking all over her. We were all in grad school, they were in law school together. After 3 years of dating, Dave said he kind of, sort of wanted to break up. Jane thought it was a break not a break up. Dave began dating Leslie immediately, also in the same law school and we were all shocked and furious at Dave. We couldn't believe he would treat Jane so horribly. This was "the best guy in the world Dave". How could he be so mean? Leslie was (is) aggressive, hard to get along with, etc. etc. Jane is even prettier than Leslie. Dave was 100% sure Leslie was the woman for him. They were married a year later and have been married for 23 years. Dave said Leslie challenged him, never let him get away with the nice guy persona, understood his faults, made him a better person. Sound familiar? Jane never got married I'm sorry to say. We are still friends, although we all live in different states now, I see Jane every so often and she's still the nicest person, I hate to say it, but she's kind of boring. When Dave is in town he stays with us and we have the best time. When we are visiting their town, we meet for dinner, and I still don't like Leslie so much, but do like their relationship. There's a lot of give and take on both sides.They have raised 3 wonderful children and Leslie has done tremendous volunteer work for New Orleans. The woman couldn't stop and she rallied her whole church.
I learned a lot from this many, many years ago, and I hope people will be able to calm down about Jason.

I really want to stop reading the boards because enough is enough already. I wish Jason and Molly the best of luck and hope they can get past all this negativity and onto their real lives.

[psucashcow]

I think after this season we can safely admit Jen Scheft and Brad Womack back into the arms of the human race. Jen's season was no more a disappointment than Jason, as far as I'm concerned. The reshoot of her FRC and then dumping Jerry at the AFR are no worse than this season's developments. As for Brad, I will ship him some Philly cheesesteaks in honor of his integrity. He definitely emerges as the only Bachelor who was able to stand up to Fleiss and act on his self knowledge that neither of his F2's were forever marriage material.

Jason is between a rock and a hard place. If it was a completely contrived season as RS speculates, then Jason is a tool personified who was complicit in creating a false engagement and making the expected lies even more d*mning. His compadres in crime have pretty much abandoned him with Fleiss even disavowing the need to have the engagement broken on air. But since I don't believe what Fleiss says anymore than much of what Jason says, that part could be a wash.

If Jason went into this season devoted to Molly as his forever girl and then wildly picked Melissa, AND proposed, I question his emotional maturity. If Melissa was his forever girl during the season that he picked and proposed to but decided in the real world the relationship wasn't right, I say "ditto" about emotional maturity. Jason really needs to step back from the Harry Winston diamond rings (or whoever sponsored this season) and refrain from proposing to any more women for awhile.

I'm glad I missed the FRC and AFR1 and 2. Jason may be one stellar financial planner but his personal character is pretty shaky in my opinion.

[denise2802]

Originally Posted by just2relax

This entire story reminds me of one of my husband's closest friends. Bear with me. Dave and my husband have been friends since 4th grade. I met my husband, Dave and his girlfriend, Jane, the same evening, almost 30 years ago. We became a foursome and I really liked both of them. Dave's reputation has always been the nicest guy ever. Jane was (is) the sweetest, giving friend. They really were a nice, nice couple. A couple of things began bothering me. Basically if Dave told Jane to jump she would answer how high? Since he was (is) a nice guy it didn't happen so often, but sometimes it looked like he was walking all over her. We were all in grad school, they were in law school together. After 3 years of dating, Dave said he kind of, sort of wanted to break up. Jane thought it was a break not a break up. Dave began dating Leslie immediately, also in the same law school and we were all shocked and furious at Dave. We couldn't believe he would treat Jane so horribly. This was "the best guy in the world Dave". How could he be so mean? Leslie was (is) aggressive, hard to get along with, etc. etc. Jane is even prettier than Leslie. Dave was 100% sure Leslie was the woman for him. They were married a year later and have been married for 23 years. Dave said Leslie challenged him, never let him get away with the nice guy persona, understood his faults, made him a better person. Sound familiar? Jane never got married I'm sorry to say. We are still friends, although we all live in different states now, I see Jane every so often and she's still the nicest person, I hate to say it, but she's kind of boring. When Dave is in town he stays with us and we have the best time. When we are visiting their town, we meet for dinner, and I still don't like Leslie so much, but do like their relationship. There's a lot of give and take on both sides.They have raised 3 wonderful children and Leslie has done tremendous volunteer work for New Orleans. The woman couldn't stop and she rallied her whole church.
I learned a lot from this many, many years ago, and I hope people will be able to calm down about Jason.

I really want to stop reading the boards because enough is enough already. I wish Jason and Molly the best of luck and hope they can get past all this negativity and onto their real lives.

That is a great story and I think very pertinent to Jason and Molly. I always though Molly was a better match. I am uncomfortable with the witch hunt going on at the moment. Jason and Molly haven't committed any crime and Melissa certainly seems to have got over Jason quickly enough.

[bizbachfan]

I just have to say for those who are saying poor Jason, why is he getting so bashed, etc. Well I really don't think the backlash is all that bad, would expect it to be worse.

What did he do wrong? We all agree its not breaking up with Mel and taking up with Molly its the way he handled it. Yes perhaps a lot of it is due to Fleiss.
But he certainly didn't show much remorse or empathy for Mel during the post show filmings.
He did not even get slammed by the audience on post show 2.

Meanwhile I recall on this very board Jesse and Jesse and D getting slammed hard at every turn. What did they do? They simply chose each other and tried to make it work. Yes maybe they were fame hos, but who doesn't go on this show looking for a little fame? Only a select few.

I mean people were using the puke symbol for Jesse, etc. What did he do so wrong?

I was one of the few who actually saw Jesse coming as the F1 from the start and defended him. And trust me it was not too safe to be in that minority on this board. I have to admit many of most vehment posters anti Jesse departed for another board (thankfully) But I just have to say St. Jason is not really getting it that bad.

I do hope he and Molly find happiness and glad to hear Mel is fine and with a new/old boyfriend.

But I think we have a right to "bash" Mr. Mesnick for a while longer.



And please for the record I am not calling out any particular posters or saying anything negative about anyone, just saying Negative Jason comments will continue for a while and I believe rightfully so.

[Polgara]

OK so now that Melissa admitted that her and Jason had already broken up prior to the AFTR and she said the only thing she was blind sided by was that he was still thinking about Molly based on what she said on Ellen I don't understand why some people are still so ticked off at him?

I still think he's more boring than generic toilet paper, but...

[Coco46]

Yes, I think we should be able to post positive or negative things about Jason or anyone featured in this tv show as this is the American way. Just so we give all posters the same right!

Coco46

[bizbachfan]

I don't really care about Jason at this point. I hope he figures it out and Ty doesn't get too confused. I still think he did a lot of things wrong and by going on tv to find a wife he left himself out there for a little negative press.

He def was not the most savvy bachelor. He made out with nearly everyone. He was super inarticulate. He could not get his friend w/passion speech right. (Jillian? Molly?)

He proposed to Melissa after nearly puking over Molly leaving.
I could go on, but no need.
Enough said