Thoughts & Comments in General #3 **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by simplechef

well I am back after a two week vacation and am going to say I didn't see anything wrong with chelsea's changing into the black dress. I do think she was taken advantage of by TPTB, but it didn't change my opinion of her at all. I figured from about 4-5 weeks ago that Chelsea was the one and I do see the love story. For those of you that don't you have to remember three things:
1. Matt said on the first week that he was ready to leave with chelsea on the vegas date.
2. Matt gave Chelsea TWO date roses, even with Shayne there (Vegas and Tennis).
3. Matt has repeatedly wanted Chelsea's interest. Men like a challenge. Chelsea was a challenge. last week Matt said he tought they would be a great couple... He's told us over and over that Chelsea is his choice, be we were blinded by how much physical stuff there was with Shayne.

I am confident that Chelsea is the F1.

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[Linda81]

It also helps that Matt and Shayne was very compatible. He is a Cancer and she is a Scorpio, and they both are Water signs.[/


Prince Charles is a scorpio and diana was a cancer and we all know how that ended!!!!!

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by candimichele

But the thing is, we have seen screencaps of Amanda and Matt kissing at pre-RC, we have read in recaps that they talked at RC's, and other things but they were just never shown on the show! Even at Amanda's Americana Date, she and Matt kissed at least 3 times and only one or two were shown. Why didn't they show Chelsea kissing him at the RC's that we've seen in screencaps? What's the reason for not showing them when they could have used those to hide the connection with Shayne? JMO but Fleiss could have added those into the show to cause doubt on Matt and Shayne's connection but he didn't and I think he has decided to show the love story from the beginning for me!

I think that when you have a half dozen or so deaf/HoH posters *ALL* agreeing on the connection (body language and facial expressions) with Amanda but none of us can see anything sincere with Shayne then maybe that ought to be a clue. Not the *only* clue but a clue nonetheless. Oh, and Chelsea always seems to be an afterthought for us...sorry Chels.

Even last year, most of us agreed on Bettina and we were stumped when she left the show. Most of us saw the confusion from Brad when he was with DeAnna and most of us saw no real connection with Jenni. In the end confusion won out and he picked nobody.

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by simplechef

Since I've been gone 2 weeks, can someone enlighten me as to why people are convinced that Shayne is the F1 if the photo evidence points to Chelsea as F1? Having been away from the computer for 2 weeks, I've been reading for an hour and can't figure it out.. .Thanks! (I missed you all!)

I put a collage together showing the sunset girl and her dress. It's Shayne.

[2observe]

Originally Posted by Linda81

It also helps that Matt and Shayne was very compatible. He is a Cancer and she is a Scorpio, and they both are Water signs.[/


Prince Charles is a scorpio and diana was a cancer and we all know how that ended!!!!!

I think that the Male Cancer and Female Scorpio combination works better, imo, than the Male Scorpio, Female Cancer combination. BTW what sign is Camilla???

[luvlady345]

Oh why can't we just be wrong about the connection we think see, when the bachelor doesn't choose who we thought we saw the connected with? Even Amanda has said in her post interviews that there was NOTHING going on with her and Matt, when some thought there was......So now we don't believe what the person is telling us, when they were the ones in the process and know their feeling better than we the viewers...I for one will believe what Amanda has said and not what a supposedly edit version of someone's feelings JMHO......

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by simplechef

I don't think Chelsea being in the black dress is sleazy... Unless someone has some confirmed info, we don't know they were intimate. So she put on a sexy black dress... We don't know that she didn't have a thong on under that... They showed the white boy shorts coming off, but that could have been staged. I don't think Chelsea and Matt necessarily had sex and if they did, why is that so negative about her? I am struggling to see reason she's getting slammed on here...

I think Shayne and Matt have a great connection, but I also see it with Chelsea. Matt's said over and over he's crazy about Chelsea. Why is it so hard to see why he'd choose her? I am SURE it's not just because she wore a slinky black dress.

One of Chelsea's friends came on and essentially said that she was upset and mortified that she was edited that way. That it didn't happen like that at all. That she changed from the white panties to black ones, that could be hidden under her dress/nightgown.

[lavettemp]

I'm not as sold as everyone seems to be on Shayne being the winner.
Here is why:
: The "supposed" winner never wins. At least that I recall, and the only Season that I haven't watched is Season One.
2. The definition for "flaxen" is, "of hair color; pale yellowish to yellowish brown; "flaxen locks".
3. The nails and knuckles do do match Chelsea; including the shape and length.
4. I took the a photo from of Matt hiding the girl and sharpened, color enhanced, and increased exposure. No matter what I did to the photo (as long as I didn't change the colors) the supposed part of the dress that is peeking out is white and absolutely NOT Yellow. And, if this is indeed the dress, what is the lighter area down at his foot on the opposite side? Maybe I just edited a bad photo. I don't know, but it's not yellow. (I would post what I came up with, but I received a warning telling me I can't post URLs until I've been here for a while).

Everyone knows how this show works. It's never what it appears.

[candimichele]

to the board, lavettemp! You've raised some good points but IMO Fleiss has changed the editing so much this season that I think he has showed a love story from the beginning which is why nothing is hidden from us!

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by luvlady345

Oh why can't we just be wrong about the connection we think see, when the bachelor doesn't choose who we thought we saw the connected with? Even Amanda has said in her post interviews that there was NOTHING going on with her and Matt, when some thought there was......So now we don't believe what the person is telling us, when they were the ones in the process and know their feeling better than we the viewers...I for one will believe what Amanda has said and not what a supposedly edit version of someone's feelings JMHO......

That's very good advice.

I don't care who he picks; never did. So, if you're referring to me then you've got me wrong. The point that I was trying to make is that a particular group of posters on here have all seen the same connection with Matt and Amanda. When your primary source of communication is using your eyes, instead of your ears, you tend to notice things that other people wouldn't normally. That Amanda, or Robin, or Noelle had said something to say, post show, is great, but we all know how Fleiss likes to script these things.

The supposed rumour..."all is not what it seems" appears to have substance after all.