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    "I thought Amanda and Matt's date was cute last night....it provides a jumping off point for their relationship. Although, as much as I hate to say it, if not much is shown of Amanda next week, I'm afraid she'll be F3...but I'm hoping more of her and Matt's interactions are shown next week. I liked the interaction b/w Matt, Amanda, and Chelsea was shown at the end of the show. It shows that they do have cute moments together...Did anyone else think the music Amanda got during the kiss at the diner was the special F1 guitar music, or am I just hearing things?

    I do notice that Matt and Amanda are always sitting next to one another before the RC's. Shayne is always on the other side of the room...little things I notice that might make the difference.

    I still have a hard time beliving Shayne is the F1 with the edit she's getting. The F1 has never been in the spotlight so much and has never had a negative edit like she is getting. Maybe it's just me though..." Buckeyegal007
    Buckeyegal007 - I brought this over because I want to make a point about the time they will or won't show with Amanda. We know that Andy liked Tessa, he had the 2-on-1 date with her. She would never have gotten the Cinderella date had she not been so eager to leave and Andy needed to convince her to stay. We know this because Andy insisted she have the date even though it was for someone else. Now having said that I think we would have still seen Tessa winning even though she wouldn't have had that date. Andy knew.

    I think the same is with Matt except Amanda is a little different than Tessa. She understands the process and is willing to put up with it. Let's not forget what Matt said about the woman he ends up with has to put up with the process and understand he will be dating other women and KISSING other women but still hang in there because they know it is the process. I see Amanda as doing this. She had her date, in groups he gravitates towards her, it's okay as long as the ending is good.

    Shayne on the other hand picked up on him saying the woman has to put up with this and is saying what she thinks he wants to hear. This is what he has already stated as a criteria. Causalfan says ""He asks if she's sure she wants to be here and she says, "Look what I'm doing -- I'm sharing a man I'm falling in love with with seven other women!" They kiss and he strokes her face reassuringly." - but to me this is an echo of what Matt has said he expects of the woman he ends up with. Not really sincerity on Shayne's part but what is necessary to "play" the part Matt is expecting of the F1.

    In the end he will have to use more than physical connection to pick the final one. In a relationship you must also be a friend, a lover, a caretaker, a companion, a compliment to one another. You must be the other half, not a fantasy. I don't see Shayne as this person for Matt. They are two different sides of the spectrum. Amanda is closer as is Chelsea. If Matt does indeed become more serious and think with his brain AND his heart, Shayne will run her course and leave at F3 or F2. If he buys into the fantasy, she will be F1 and it will end soon after the show is over as reality will intrude and show they were never compatible.

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #2 **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

    ^^^ I agree.

    Then there is the information about the fireworks that erupted when F3 was let go. Which of our F3 is more likely to pull something like that?

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    I think last night showed that Matt is finally getting serious about the process. In the beginning, he was in awe that he had so many beautiful women interested in him and now he realizes there are true feelings at stake and he needs to be realistic in what he wants for the future.

    It was very telling when he told Holly that he was boring, that he was interested in what was happening in the Middle East and the Brazillian finanical market. If these are the kinds of topics Matt is really interested in, then with which one of these girls will he be able to have a discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret;2903348;
    Watching this show with a cynical eye makes the whole show seem REALLY ridiculous.
    I've been watching this show with a cynical eye since... since the first season. And it's ridiculous, but entertaining ridiculous. The only time I wavered a bit was during Meredith's season and just a bit for a minute there with Jerry and J** until about the home town date. I kind of liked Jerry, you know. I've had a few soft spots here and there for Moana, Agnese and even Bevin but other than that... ughh. All the bachelors gave me the creeps aside from Andrew (Firestone not the Blandy).

    With Matt we just passed the fourth episode and I still don't know what to think of him. Horny, unemployed Brit with somewhat of a sense of humor. But hell, then he likes fluff like Shayne which makes my opinion of him plummet. Can he be sensible? - as Jane Austen would say. I can tolerate him much better by himself during PIs when he makes fun of the girls and the situations but when he's performing tonsillectomies on everyone and their mother on the show, he's just a big tool. Possibly a paid tool. I've seen it tossed about that that's somehow the European way and I have to say a big no to that. We Europeans are not some distinct species characterized by more highly developed macking instincts. Matt is just a horndog. Possibly a paid horndog.

    What's my point? Oh, yeah. I guess the good news is that I don't hate him yet, which is remarkable in itself. Usually by the third episode I'm ready to shove a rose down the Bachelor's throat and kick him off a ledge. There's time though. I'm sure he'll do something stupid in the next episode and then this brief lukewarm like-affair will be over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldie2;2904172;
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    There is something not clicking for me. ..

    Here's the thing ....

    Matt last night clearly seemed more serious in wanting to weed out the pretty ones with no substantial substance from the genuine girls he thought he had a "Real" future with..
    It is completely unbelievable to me that a self proclaimed(last night) conservative guy looking for a "wife" would pick Shayne in the end here,she is anything but conservative.. and while opposites do attract..he seems to be very concerned about making an intelligent decision here..but still all things last night still point to her as F1..not logical

    Amanda's date was cute and she is beautiful and likes her..if Shayne weren't there..I could see her winning and them dating maybe and getting to know one another..she said herself that she was quiet around him...but to me this it doesn't seem like the time frame for him to fall in love with a "quiet" type girl..
    But Shayne is here and I think he is mesmorized by her and very,very into her...at the expensive of even noticing Amanda or someone else very much..and like it has been said for many seasons ...if the evidence is not there,as much as we "want" Amanda" to be the one ,lack of sc's and time are a sure sign of an F3 orF2 at this point

    I predict that he will "fall" for the girl that moves him the most in the shortest time and that will be Shayne..whether it is purely lust or attraction,most relationships do start out that way...



    The major problem is that Chris H. seems to think this show will bring viewers back..the Shayne and Matt show..but it so unbelievable to most married people at least,that these two could possibly work..it is a clear set-up for disappointment for the viewers because no one thinks this relationship could really be genuine....Chris H. is so way off on this one..

    In seasons past.most people had their favorite and it was really between two realistic choices in the end..they both had their strengths and although you may have liked one more than the other,it was not completely unrealistic to think that whomever was chosen,they may work for awhile..

    What's not clicking at all this season is that the clear frontrunner here is so unbelievable ...from what Matt says he wants and how he wants a wife..it makes it ridiculous to watch this unfold and ever be happy with the outcome..

    And yes,I would love to see Amanda win and pull the rug right out from under Shayne..I just don't see it happening...

    Chris said the show would be back on board , but he also said , The show didn't get serious for Matt until more towards the end. IMO we need to pay close attention to what Matt does and does not do from this point forward. I am sure he will continue to be affectionate with the F3, for me body language will be key .

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    I know most won't care, but I just checked the leaderboard and I am on the front page... Finally! After so many seasons playing... I made the leaderboard! WOO HOO!!! Of course it won't matter since the top 7 either regularly post here or lurk here to scoop the correct people... But HEY... My names on the front page... (doing a Chandler dance .. from Friends)...

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    so we are now down to 6... Do we know who will be sent home next?? and then it is what hometown? who goes after that??
    Okay I love FORT's casino, but I really am not very good. If anyone wants to donate their FORT $$ I would gladly accept http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forum....php?do=donate

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #2 **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

    Quote Originally Posted by tandywtcher;2905003;
    I think last night showed that Matt is finally getting serious about the process. In the beginning, he was in awe that he had so many beautiful women interested in him and now he realizes there are true feelings at stake and he needs to be realistic in what he wants for the future.

    It was very telling when he told Holly that he was boring, that he was interested in what was happening in the Middle East and the Brazillian finanical market. If these are the kinds of topics Matt is really interested in, then with which one of these girls will he be able to have a discussion?
    Great post ITA. This is exactly what I think as well. And the only one that fits the bill is Amanda. Maybe Chelsea too. But Def not Shayne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsFroggy;2905103;
    I've been watching this show with a cynical eye since... since the first season. And it's ridiculous, but entertaining ridiculous. The only time I wavered a bit was during Meredith's season and just a bit for a minute there with Jerry and J** until about the home town date. I kind of liked Jerry, you know. I've had a few soft spots here and there for Moana, Agnese and even Bevin but other than that... ughh. All the bachelors gave me the creeps aside from Andrew (Firestone not the Blandy).

    With Matt we just passed the fourth episode and I still don't know what to think of him. Horny, unemployed Brit with somewhat of a sense of humor. But hell, then he likes fluff like Shayne which makes my opinion of him plummet. Can he be sensible? - as Jane Austen would say. I can tolerate him much better by himself during PIs when he makes fun of the girls and the situations but when he's performing tonsillectomies on everyone and their mother on the show, he's just a big tool. Possibly a paid tool. I've seen it tossed about that that's somehow the European way and I have to say a big no to that. We Europeans are not some distinct species characterized by more highly developed macking instincts. Matt is just a horndog. Possibly a paid horndog.

    What's my point? Oh, yeah. I guess the good news is that I don't hate him yet, which is remarkable in itself. Usually by the third episode I'm ready to shove a rose down the Bachelor's throat and kick him off a ledge. There's time though. I'm sure he'll do something stupid in the next episode and then this brief lukewarm like-affair will be over.
    Oh Ms. Froggy, you crack me up. Your point about European macking instincts reminds me of my other pet peeves about how they're featuring Matt. They really do act as if Matt is speaking a foreign language because he's British. Maybe I'm giving the ladies too much credit but does "You're a good sport" really need a translation?

    Anyway, I am happy to report, I no longer put Matt in the same category as Blob after much thought and deliberation, but I admit I am still wary of his true intentions. Is he "there for the right reasons?" I'm not convinced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplechef;2905160;
    I know most won't care, but I just checked the leaderboard and I am on the front page... Finally! After so many seasons playing... I made the leaderboard! WOO HOO!!! Of course it won't matter since the top 7 either regularly post here or lurk here to scoop the correct people... But HEY... My names on the front page... (doing a Chandler dance .. from Friends)...
    At the Chandler dance!

    I noticed that earlier simple, you definitely deserve it, you did an amazing job at sleuthing out the pecking order from the screencaps

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