Part 2: "Spoilers & Screencap Analysis ONLY" **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

[SweetElvira]

Originally Posted by jlccaz

In any event, the Exec Producers are simply trying to get ratings, and are lately (a) out of ideas on how to keep it fresh, (b) under the impression that Girls Gone Wild, Girl on Girl fights, are good not bad for ratings and (c) this season, engineered a farce from beginning to end.

And that's where I think the negative attention should be directed. They just aren't very good at their jobs, which is to create entertainment that the masses want to watch.

Great post, I quoted the part I wanted to address.

This program will never draw men in significant numbers, and that's where I think TPTB have become derailed. In all of their silly attempts to keep it fresh, bring in new twists, etc., etc., they continue not drawing men, and they alienate more and more women. They can't manufacture romance if it doesn't happen, yet that's what their audiences want -- true romance.

You're right, they're not very good at their jobs. I also think they're not very creative. I still believe they should go back to Jerry's season and reconstruct the show from there. Take away some of the rigidity and rules. Let TB dump and keep within a range, not a pre-established number. And definitely, definitely, definitely, have TB date the final 2 -- or 3, or 4 -- in the real world for a few weeks afterwards. Film a few dates and make that part of the show. If they had turned Andy loose to date Tessa and Bevin for a few weeks, and incorporated those dates into the show, it might have been more interesting and it might have had a different end. It certainly would have been more realistic.

Anyway, sorry, didn't mean to go off on my how-to-fix-it rant, which is greatly reduced from the original version. But I do think you made some excellent points, and I wanted to respond.

[Google]

 

[Luvstruck]

Originally Posted by momsunshine

ok, her head is also smaller. Chelsea has a larger head

So is everyone positive the sofa girl on top of Matt is not Noelle. We know from the episode guide that one of the girls shows him a side he has not seen before & I think that may be Noelle with the horse back riding. Noelle got pretty cozy with him to advance her to the hometown dates over Robin & Marshanna.

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by Ryvetted

One thing about the arm/couch picture. I think the reason why the arm looks so skinny, is because her hair is almost laying against it and could be covering the full look of the arm.....

Just when I think I've finally caught up there's another 100 posts

These are all shots of Chelsea's arm. In particular, she has a noticable bump at her elbows and the long stretch of a indented muscle in her left arm when her arm is flexed.

[Capegal]

That's the reason she is so good at arm wrestling

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by Capegal

That's the reason she is so good at arm wrestling

Probably, it's like it's own stop brace.

Here's just the arm from the couch and her arm at a rose ceremony toast. I've pointed, with a blue line, to her flexed arm that is the same in both shots.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by Bet2Win

JKay put this together at another site (not sure if I can say the name of the site): HTD order for all of the seasons.


11 Deanna Pappas Jenni Croft Bettina Bell


10 Tessa Horst Bevin Powers Danielle L


9 Jennifer Saddie Lisa


8 Sara Stone Moana Dixon Susan


7 Sarah Brice Krisily Kennedy Sara W


6 Mary Delgado Tanya Michel Cyndi


5 Jessica Bowlin Tara Huckeby Mandy J


4 Estella Gardinier Kelly Jo Kuharski Mary Delgado


3 Jen Schefft Kirsten Bushbasher Tina Fabulous


2 Helene Brooke Gwen


1 Amanda Trista Shannon




I can't remember: were Jennifer, Sarah Brice and Jessica the F1's.
The rest of the girls that received the first HTD also received the FR, correct?
DeAnna (she was considered F1), Tessa, Sara Stone, Mary, Estella, Jen, Helene and Amanda.

Are you talking HTD or Fantasy? I think this is incorrect for HTD. I posted in the Amanda thread the HTD order as they were AIRED from the Travis season until now. I didn't watch before that. It doesn't match up to the above list. I did notice sometimes the order was not the same in the episode descriptions or previews but this is the way they aired on the actual episode. I have them on tape.

1 F2 Moana Sade Bevin Jenni
2 f3 or F4 Sarah Lisa Dani Sheena
3 F1 Sarah S, jenn, Tessa, DeAnna
4 F3 or F4 Susan Agnesa, Amber, Bettina

the F1 was the third one shown and the F2 was the first. The other ones they mixed up. I only have this since Travis so I don't know what the order was then. They haven't aired the HTDs yet so I am waiting to see what happens. They did preview them as Shayne, Chelsea, Noelle, Amanda. since we know Noelle is not F1, the preview pattern will not be correct. Did they put Amanda in the final slot because of the prank, or does the pattern mean nothing, which I think can be the case. I usually don't put too much stock into any patterns.

Edit to add Sorry I probably didn't make that list too clear. I was trying to show that the F2 girl of every season went first, the F3 or F4 went second or last and F1 girl was 3rd. Hope that made sense. I listed them by finish places instead of by season..clear as mud?

[CoolCruiser]

Originally Posted by onlyme

Are you talking HTD or Fantasy? I think this is incorrect for HTD. I posted in the Amanda thread the HTD order as they were AIRED from the Travis season until now. I didn't watch before that. It doesn't match up to the above list. I did notice sometimes the order was not the same in the episode descriptions or previews but this is the way they aired on the actual episode. I have them on tape.

1 F2 Moana Sade Bevin Jenni
2 f3 or F4 Sarah Lisa Dani Sheena
3 F1 Sarah S, jenn, Tessa, DeAnna
4 F3 or F4 Susan Agnesa, Amber, Bettina

the F1 was the third one shown and the F2 was the first. The other ones they mixed up. I only have this since Travis so I don't know what the order was then. They haven't aired the HTDs yet so I am waiting to see what happens. They did preview them as Shayne, Chelsea, Noelle, Amanda. since we know Noelle is not F1, the preview pattern will not be correct. Did they put Amanda in the final slot because of the prank, or does the pattern mean nothing, which I think can be the case. I usually don't put too much stock into any patterns.

Edit to add Sorry I probably didn't make that list too clear. I was trying to show that the F2 girl of every season went first, the F3 or F4 went second or last and F1 girl was 3rd. Hope that made sense. I listed them by finish places instead of by season..clear as mud?

Those listed by Bet2Win from an other site are the Fantasy dates because there are only 3 of them.

[Bet2Win]

Originally Posted by CoolCruiser

Those listed by Bet2Win from an other site are the Fantasy dates because there are only 3 of them.

Yes they are the FD's, even though I said they were the HTD orders ... oops. Sorry for the confusion.

And I still don't know if those are the correct order, cause I didn't make the list myself .. And I don't remember the orders of the FD's in the past.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by Bet2Win

Yes they are the FD's, even though I said they were the HTD orders ... oops. Sorry for the confusion.

And I still don't know if those are the correct order, cause I didn't make the list myself .. And I don't remember the orders of the FD's in the past.

No problem I have the FDs too and I don't think what I have is exactly what you posted, but I could be wrong. Again these are only for Travis thru last season's and Fleiss can certainly change it up. Although there is one thing I noticed, when you look at the SCs and watch the previews the first clips show Shayne, Chelsea, Amanda, Noelle, but then when Chris does what he gets paid for and previews the dates, they show Shayne, Chelsea, Noelle and Amanda last. Again I think they wanted to end with Amanda's date because of the prank...I think this is too much analyzing. It probably won't matter in the end anyway...

Too bad we didn't have more SCs.

[mynicholle]

Originally Posted by onlyme

No problem I have the FDs too and I don't think what I have is exactly what you posted, but I could be wrong. Again these are only for Travis thru last season's and Fleiss can certainly change it up. Although there is one thing I noticed, when you look at the SCs and watch the previews the first clips show Shayne, Chelsea, Amanda, Noelle, but then when Chris does what he gets paid for and previews the dates, they show Shayne, Chelsea, Noelle and Amanda last. Again I think they wanted to end with Amanda's date because of the prank...I think this is too much analyzing. It probably won't matter in the end anyway...

Too bad we didn't have more SCs.

It would make sense traveling wise that Matt would go to Shayne first since she lives in CA then off to Colorado then Florida.