Part 2: "Spoilers & Screencap Analysis ONLY" **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

[cantstopwatchin]

Originally Posted by Mike'sgirl

After tonights previews, I see the HTD as being the clincher for Amanda. But, for me that is in a good way. I think Matt's humor will appreciate the prank, just as much as he enjoyed Chelsea arm wrestling him in first show. I think he will "get it" when he realizes that he's been had with the prank Amanda pulls and really appreciate the fact that they have a similar sense of humor. He enjoyed it when she told him her family would serve him possum for dinner. Chelsea doesn't quickly see it when Matt teases; but Amanda just teases right back.

I still have Amanda F1, Chelsea F2 and Shayne F3 (unless I see different in next 2 shows).

ITA with you, Mike'sgirl. I still think Amanda's F1 but I have Shayne as F2 and Chelsea as F3.

I think Chelsea is going to be the girl who has a hard time opening up during the FD and I think there's going to be some extra time spent between Amanda & Matt after her HTD. The shutters and entertainment center DO NOT match up to the inside of the house in the clips...

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[Kresge]

Originally Posted by cantstopwatchin

ITA with you, Mike'sgirl. I still think Amanda's F1 but I have Shayne as F2 and Chelsea as F3.

I think Chelsea is going to be the girl who has a hard time opening up during the FD and I think there's going to be some extra time spent between Amanda & Matt after her HTD. The shutters and entertainment center DO NOT match up to the inside of the house in the clips...

I don't see a match with the home either, so am guessing it takes place at the hotel where Matt stays during the hometown visit.

[LAlady]

Originally Posted by CoolCruiser

Ok, I just have to get some of thoughts into print... there are SOOOO many options on how to interpret the edits this season.

Just for starters to let you know up front - my choice at this time for F1 is still Amanda.

HOWEVER,
I see so much chemistry with Matt and Shayne. It is undeniable. Shayne is cute and we have come to love her "silly, cutesy, whimsical and adorable" personality. I believe that she, of all bachelorettes ever, has had the most extensive character portrayal of any season. Definitely, she has been given the most airtime!

We KNOW Shayne as Fleiss wants us to know her. We also KNOW that Matt is enamoured by her and is totally attracted to the "sex kitten" with many levels of personality. For example, her makeup deal on the slopes was just too cute... almost scripted it was that cute and out of the ordinary.

Which leaves me with the question: WHY would Fleiss be creating this obvious edit in this way with Shayne?

1. We are seeing the chemistry with Shayne because Fleiss wants us to but that doesn't mean that Matt doesn't have the same or even deeper chemistry with an other girl.... Fleiss just isn't giving us the privilege of seeing it if it is there.

2. Does Fleiss want to portray to the casual viewer (which does not include us sleuthers) a. an obvious love story this time (Shayne) OR b. a dramatic "we didn't see that coming" love story (Amanda).

Fleiss has NEVER given us an OBVIOUS love story from the beginning of the show. Is he changing it up this time to shock the sleuthers INSTEAD of the casual audience? Is this his response to the negative feedback from Brad's disappointing finish?

3. Then the skeptical option: "this is all a set-up for who-knows-what-complicated reasons." Matt wants an acting deal.... Shayne needs some exposure.... Lorenzo Lamas and Fleiss are in cahoots with a pay-off somewhere.... who knows.... Shayne is being set-up as the next bachelorette to boost ratings and actually get some interested guys to sign up for the Bachelorette.... who knows what conspiracy lurks in Fleiss' brain???

One last observation: When Matt is standing on the podium for the assumed FRC, we see his face light up when a girl approaches and his face has the expression of seeing someone "cute". There is a quality captured in that expression that is very endearing, intimate and "cutesy" (for lack of a better word). However, we don't know if at that time he is greeting the F1 or the F2. Whoever "she" is that he is greeting at that time, the expression reminds me totally of how he looks at Shayne.


AND THEN CHELSEA,
I personally question the edit she is being given. Her not-so-flattering fight with Marshana was drama that we usually don't see with a F1. Moana for example had a bit of that and wasn't F1. I am not saying that the F1 can't have any drama.... Fleiss usually doesn't show it to us if it is there... At least not as dramatic as yesterday's deal with Chelsea and Marshana. She also had the drama with Robin. Then what about the body shot with Kelly that we never did get to see.... We are seeing too many borderline, negative edits of her which really makes me question if she will be F1.

Matt obviously has an attraction to her athletic side but when I watched him on Ellen and she asked about the "arm wrestler" he didn't even seem to bat an eye of interest. It was almost as if it was in the far recesses of his memory. If she was F1, I am sure we would have seen the instantaneous reaction in his eyes (not a giveaway but at least some spark of remembrance)... there was nothing.

I don't think F1 is Chelsea for a number of reasons.

THEN, AMANDA.
Is she getting the hidden edit?
Is she the "All American girl" whom he has been looking for?
How much of their building relationship is actually on the editing floor?
How much doesn't even exist?
I see a lot of compatibility between the two... just not seeing the actual times and events where this has developed. It is obvious to me that it HAS developed, we just aren't being given the privilege to see WHEN it happened.
They kiss very passionately, easily and often.
Matt is doing the "foot lifting thing" at last night's toast when he is leaning on Amanda. Amanda did it on the 50s date. Was this scripted both times or do they just do this when they are together?


This is a difficult one to call.

I think Matt's favorite two are Shayne and Amanda but I'm not sure if they will be the Final two standing. Chelsea in my opinion is his third favorite but she may be F2 to spare the other. However, I see her leaving at F3.

I have one clue from the promos that also leads me to think that Shayne and Amanda are the final 2. There is a promo that shows two scenes of London in the middle of the dating process. Prior to the one scene of London you have clips of Shayne fading into London scenes and further on, you have clips of Amanda fading into scenes of London. I think those two go to London to meet the parents.

That's it for now.

I agree, the way he looks at Shayne is a look he has only for her or that is what we are seeing. While he was with Chelsea last night, his eyes seemed to be thinking rather than showing
the " Love" we see when he looks at Shayne?/ But who knows???

[kwtaylor]

Originally Posted by LAlady

I agree, the way he looks at Shayne is a look he has only for her or that is what we are seeing. While he was with Chelsea last night, his eyes seemed to be thinking rather than showing
the " Love" we see when he looks at Shayne?/ But who knows???

I agree LAlady--the looks he gives shayne are very intimate, personal, and filled with love--I didn't see any real romantic chemistry with chelsea last night--And, I have yet to see anything between Amanda and Matt. They seem awkward together--so who knows, but one thing I do know is that those looks are definitely hot, and I love the tender moments between matt and shayne. Hopefully Fleiss is actually showing us the love story this time.

[casualfan]

Originally Posted by kwtaylor

I agree LAlady--the looks he gives shayne are very intimate, personal, and filled with love--I didn't see any real romantic chemistry with chelsea last night--And, I have yet to see anything between Amanda and Matt. They seem awkward together--so who knows, but one thing I do know is that those looks are definitely hot, and I love the tender moments between matt and shayne. Hopefully Fleiss is actually showing us the love story this time.

After each episode I am more convinced that Shayne is F1. Predictably Chelsea's story arc began last night, but Shayne continues to be the woman that surprises. Going by the episode description posted in the media thread for next week, she looks to surprise Matt again. These IMO, are our F2 women.

[kwtaylor]

Originally Posted by casualfan

After each episode I am more convinced that Shayne is F1. Predictably Chelsea's story arc began last night, but Shayne continues to be the woman that surprises. Going by the episode description posted in the media thread for next week, she looks to surprise Matt again. These IMO, are our F2 women.

I agree casualfan, these are the 2 I think will be the final 2 also--the screencaps seem to indicate that this is so, and the storylines as well.

[Bet2Win]

Originally Posted by kwtaylor

I agree LAlady--the looks he gives shayne are very intimate, personal, and filled with love--I didn't see any real romantic chemistry with chelsea last night--And, I have yet to see anything between Amanda and Matt. They seem awkward together--so who knows, but one thing I do know is that those looks are definitely hot, and I love the tender moments between matt and shayne. Hopefully Fleiss is actually showing us the love story this time.

The description for the hometown dates ... confides in Chelsea's dad that he is falling for her ... isn't this the kiss of death? If this is true, and revealed at the HTD's, then there isn't any reason to go on from there.

I have a feeling that we are going to start to see a doubting Matt regarding Shayne, with the typical F2 build up edit with Chelsea to create a showdown at the F2.

But, I too, don't see anything between Chelsea and Matt ... I see more with Amanda and Matt, from what we have been shown. He thinks Chelsea is hot, but anything else? He says her likes her personality ... from what I see, her personality is a little butch, not saying she is, but her personality is.

[notenough1]

Originally Posted by CoolCruiser

AND THEN CHELSEA,
I personally question the edit she is being given. Her not-so-flattering fight with Marshana was drama that we usually don't see with a F1. Moana for example had a bit of that and wasn't F1. I am not saying that the F1 can't have any drama.... Fleiss usually doesn't show it to us if it is there... At least not as dramatic as yesterday's deal with Chelsea and Marshana. She also had the drama with Robin. Then what about the body shot with Kelly that we never did get to see.... We are seeing too many borderline, negative edits of her which really makes me question if she will be F1.

I totally agree! I don't see Chelsea as a 'story' at all and the edit is very questionable...and you are right CoolCruiser, when Matt was on Ellen, he said he wanted to slam her...and I perceived more derision in his joke than anything else. The arm wrestling comment came right after the biting of the can reference!

[lakerat]

Chelsea has to be F2 if Matt's Fantasy Suite is at the Great House. Wait a moment........Isn't Chelsea wearing the floral top in a picture at the Hilton? If Fantasy dates are at his place then his place has to be the Hilton. That would put Shayne at the Great House as F2 right. I'm so confused!

[notenough1]

Originally Posted by lakerat

Chelsea has to be F2 if Matt's Fantasy Suite is at the Great House. Wait a moment........Isn't Chelsea wearing the floral top in a picture at the Hilton? If Fantasy dates are at his place then his place has to be the Hilton. That would put Shayne at the Great House as F2 right. I'm so confused!

So...what is it?