Part 2: "Spoilers & Screencap Analysis ONLY" **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

[Bet2Win]

Originally Posted by cape

Thanks Cat! It doesn't help on Chelsea but it does show that Shayne is not flipped she is on the left....

Chelsea's is not flipped either ... the sc's that show Shayne and Chelsea standing with their roses ... you can see the cement looking posts between the cannons that is also seen behind Chelsea's arm in the sc with Matt and the ocean behind her. If I knew how to drag the sc's here, I would ... so I hope I am making sense.

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[onlyme]

Originally Posted by cape

the wrong picture posted and I changed it but it was so quick that it doesn't even show I edited my post...I figured you saw it so that is why I understood!!

sorry to confuse you so late at night!

How do you delete a post?

When you hit edit, there is button to delete too. I guess it is okay to delete a message. This is funny, we seem to be having our own little thread going on here.

So what have we come up with. Do we think the hands shots are F1 or F2. I think the ring box trumps the placement of the rose. Whose hands do we think are in the initial pics we got?

[RomanticHaze]

Originally Posted by onlyme

When you hit edit, there is button to delete too. I guess it is okay to delete a message. This is funny, we seem to be having our own little thread going on here.

So what have we come up with. Do we think the hands shots are F1 or F2. I think the ring box trumps the placement of the rose. Whose hands do we think are in the initial pics we got?

Short yellow dress in front of Matt facing the sunset trumps left/right placement.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by Bet2Win

Chelsea's is not flipped either ... the sc's that show Shayne and Chelsea standing with their roses ... you can see the cement looking posts between the cannons that is also seen behind Chelsea's arm in the sc with Matt and the ocean behind her. If I knew how to drag the sc's here, I would ... so I hope I am making sense.

Okay so we are pretty sure they aren't flipped. I don't think that Fleiss is going to change patterns this time. F1 will be on the right, F2 is on the left. UNLESS Matt puts the ring on the right hand...ta da. There is a screencap (I need to go find it) Blondie posted it I think that shows the rose on the table very clearly with Matt standing beside it just as he walks into the FRC. We need to determine if that pic is flipped. It came out I think with the previews. Look at how the rose is placed on the table/podium. If it is not flipped the F1 will be on the right. If it IS flipped I think F1 is on left.

Edit to add I found it. It is #99. I don't think the SC is flipped. Notice the rose. It points away from Matt, with the rose part facing toward the right. If Matt positions the F1 on our right of screen, he can pick the rose up and present it to her. If they put the F1 on the left he has to reach back and flip the rose around. I hope that makes sense. It would be like them having the roses facing towards Matt during the RCs. I have noticed a later pic of Matt though picking up the rose and in the SCs of the hands it does look to be moved. But I think TPTB intially set it up for the F1 to be on the right as they have for every season but Andy's. But you know what the rose pointed towards the left on that season, that was my big clue that Tessa was F1. Now I need to go to bed. Can't wait to see Amanda on Ellen tomorrow.

[Bet2Win]

Originally Posted by onlyme

When you hit edit, there is button to delete too. I guess it is okay to delete a message. This is funny, we seem to be having our own little thread going on here.

So what have we come up with. Do we think the hands shots are F1 or F2. I think the ring box trumps the placement of the rose. Whose hands do we think are in the initial pics we got?

Who knows anymore ... I was perplexed by Chelsea being on the right with the ocean behind her ... usually the F1 shot (was it different in Andy's season with Tessa?)

Then I looked at the thumb in the sc of Chelsea putting her shoes on, and dang if it doesn't look like the thumb in the sc without the ring.

Then I looked at the more recent sc's of Matt with the girl standing in front of him, and dang that dress looks white instead of greenish/yellowish like the initial sc's ...

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by RomanticHaze

Short yellow dress in front of Matt facing the sunset trumps left/right placement.

I think you might be correct. I told myself I was not going to worrying about figuring this out. I really do not care who the final person is

[RomanticHaze]

Originally Posted by onlyme

Okay so we are pretty sure they aren't flipped. I don't think that Fleiss is going to change patterns this time. F1 will be on the right, F2 is on the left. UNLESS Matt puts the ring on the right hand...ta da. There is a screencap (I need to go find it) Blondie posted it I think that shows the rose on the table very clearly with Matt standing beside it just as he walks into the FRC. We need to determine if that pic is flipped. It came out I think with the previews. Look at how the rose is placed on the table/podium. If it is not flipped the F1 will be on the right. If it IS flipped I think F1 is on left.

Fleiss changed up with Andy's season so why can't that be done again? He seems to have shot down most other patterns, so I don't think the traditional placements will work this time. He wants to throw doubt, last minute, that it could be Shayne. We may think it a done deal but he's not finished with his editing manipulations.

[Bet2Win]

Originally Posted by RomanticHaze

Fleiss changed up with Andy's season so why can't that be done again? He seems to have shot down most other patterns, so I don't think the traditional placements will work this time. He wants to throw doubt, last minute, that it could be Shayne. We may think it a done deal but he's not finished with his editing manipulations.

But the sc of Matt kneeling down ... the sun is in his face, or so it looks like it. If Shayne is on the left, where's the sun? Although, it does appear like the sun is hitting her from the back as well.

And what is up with that sc of Matt kneeling down ... he looks like he as a TON of make-up on.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by RomanticHaze

Fleiss changed up with Andy's season so why can't that be done again? He seems to have shot down most other patterns, so I don't think the traditional placements will work this time. He wants to throw doubt, last minute, that it could be Shayne. We may think it a done deal but he's not finished with his editing manipulations.

He could change it, but note what I added to my post #3318 about where the rose is on the table. Of course that can be entirely wrong if the SC (#99) is flipped, but I don't think it is. And I think there are other more important clues like the sun, ring box etc.

All I think I have manged to do is go around in a circle. I think I am going to let the veteran sleuthers figure it out.

[booradley]

Have mercy on me...I have dialup ...can someone tell me what page in SC thread I can find SNOW MONKEY SHAYNE and WINERY DATE segments?

THANKS