Part 2: "Spoilers & Screencap Analysis ONLY" **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by soulever

for the bracelet SC, the girl seems to wearing TWO bracelets. this could mean the bracelet we think isn't chelsea's really is and the new bracelet is just placed over it if matt gives his chosen one a new bracelet.....

this is driving me nuts!

Unfortunately, it isn't Chelsea. The sunset girl is Shayne.

[Google]

 

[mindy384]

Originally Posted by claytonsmum

I don't necessarily agree that the sunset picture of them (would agree it is likely Shayne) is after the FRC. The LCDs are at the same place, so the SC of them at the sunset isn't after the FRC. It's on their LCD at the end of the evening. There isn't an SC of the F1 and TB after the FRC.... IMHO

I'm not so sure about the sunset/dress sc being after the frc either! But the dress does look like the one she is looking at in the mirror (unless that yellow one we saw in the preview is longer, (which it could be!)) and matt is wearing a tux (and it is obviously barbados and why else would he be at the frc site in a tux?)

I'm very confused.

[Mike'sgirl]

Originally Posted by mindy384

I'm not so sure about the sunset/dress sc being after the frc either! But the dress does look like the one she is looking at in the mirror (unless that yellow one we saw in the preview is longer, (which it could be!)) and matt is wearing a tux (and it is obviously barbados and why else would he be at the frc site in a tux?)

I'm very confused.

You can see where the skirt hem ends. Remember, Shayne is much shorter then Matt, so the really short dress is still really short; it's just that she is so short that the dress hem appears longer in relation to Matt.

Don't know if that is clear, maybe someone else can explain better.

But, just like we said Amanda is F3, this is Shayne at FR sunset.

[dodie430]

Originally Posted by KashatheDiva

I am sorry, you missed my point completely.

Let me clarify.
The sc of the proposal with bracelet shows a three tiered bracelet on the left arm/hand.
The sc of Chelsea getting dressed shows a single diamond bangle on her right arm/hand and it was speculated could that sc be flipped and actually be her left hand.

It could only be her left hand--if she was left handed.
She is using that hand to buckle her shoe. I am not talking about holding/bracing the buckle(you need both hands to buckle) I am talking about the buckling part itself.

Most of her sc show right hand dominance, but if some one could capture a sc of her dining last night--we will see what hand uses her fork to feed herself. If she is right handed that the sc was not flipped and the bracelet is on her right hand.

There is absolutely no way to tell if that SC has been flipped or not imo.
When you buckle strappy shoes, or at least when I buckle strappy shoes, you use the opposite hands on each shoe, for each task {sticking the pin in the hole, and pulling the strap taut as you do it}. Otherwise it's quite awkward. Think about buckling the strap of your left shoe. Push the pin and hold the buckle with your left hand, while pulling the strap taut with your right. Try to use the same hands for the same tasks on your right shoe. Awkward, your left hand has a hard time getting in the needed position to hold the buckle and push the pin into the hole.

At least for me.

[pajamasam]

Also - the F3-F2 RC happened in full daylight - but when you watch Amanda's car ride interview - the SC's are all over the place - they drive through the trees - middle of island - they drive with the sunset in the background. It looks like they drove her around for a long time to get her crying

Very observant Satorus. I remember that Kelly Jo said they drove her around for a long time. She wouldnt cry and then they finally brought up her deceased grandfather. Yeah, they'll do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to get the tears.

[Mike'sgirl]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

Very observant Satorus. I remember that Kelly Jo said they drove her around for a long time. She wouldnt cry and then they finally brought up her deceased grandfather. Yeah, they'll do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to get the tears.

As if the whole experience isn't traumatizing enough, they have to verbally batter them and refuse to take them to their hotels, so they can take a warm/cry shower and pick up the pieces.

How awful for the girls that don't cry easily.

[Mike'sgirl]

Originally Posted by dodie430

There is absolutely no way to tell if that SC has been flipped or not imo.
When you buckle strappy shoes, or at least when I buckle strappy shoes, you use the opposite hands on each shoe, for each task {sticking the pin in the hole, and pulling the strap taut as you do it}. Otherwise it's quite awkward. Think about buckling the strap of your left shoe. Push the pin and hold the buckle with your left hand, while pulling the strap taut with your right. Try to use the same hands for the same tasks on your right shoe. Awkward, your left hand has a hard time getting in the needed position to hold the buckle and push the pin into the hole.

At least for me.

I think some of us see that Shayne is F1, but if you feel in your heart that it is Chelsea.... then stay with that. Nothing is worse then to surrender to something that you do not believe in just because others do.

Matt has serious concerns about Chelsea, he describes their relationship as up and down.
He has no reservations for Shayne, he says she has proven him wrong on every concern he has had.
Shayne is Ms Cuddles and Chelsea has affection rules. Even without SC evidence, I think many of us would guess that Shayne is the FR even though Chelsea is a very beautiful, smart, woman just as deserving of true love.

[satorus]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

Very observant Satorus. I remember that Kelly Jo said they drove her around for a long time. She wouldnt cry and then they finally brought up her deceased grandfather. Yeah, they'll do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to get the tears.

Thanks - I also noticed that during her rejection interview it's completely dark outside and they've given her some champagne. It really took time and booze to get something out of her. I wonder what time that ride really ended?

[dodie430]

Originally Posted by Mike'sgirl

I think some of us see that Shayne is F1, but if you feel in your heart that it is Chelsea.... then stay with that. Nothing is worse then to surrender to something that you do not believe in just because others do.

Matt has serious concerns about Chelsea, he describes their relationship as up and down.
He has no reservations for Shayne, he says she has proven him wrong on every concern he has had.
Shayne is Ms Cuddles and Chelsea has affection rules. Even without SC evidence, I think many of us would guess that Shayne is the FR even though Chelsea is a very beautiful, smart, woman just as deserving of true love.

Yes I am a Chelsea fan, but my post had nothing to do with being a Chelsea fan or not. I was simply making a logical observation that there is no way to tell whether or not the SC has been reversed.

And for what it's worth, I can be a Chelsea fan and still see what the probable outcome is going to be. Hollywood is already pimping Matt's "connection" with Lorenzo. Shayne is cute, spunky and funny [sometimes], but she's still a child imo. If Matt wants his monkey - all the power to him. I'm now sort of wishing Chelsea did get let go at F3.

[cynicgal]

In the Hands thread someone(sorry can't remember who) posted caps of Chelsea's Right thumb. There is a freckle at the thumb joint that can also be seen in the thumb cap that looks like its the left. This cap has been flipped as the freckle shows. That makes it Chelsea on the left. F2

And the ring bracelet shot is also flipped making it a left hand of F1.