Shayne **Spoilers**

[shoepie]

Originally Posted by kwtaylor

I"m confused--what do you mean our brains aren't fully developed until 23?

The ability to anticiapte the consequences of our actions is the last thing to develop in our brains and it can be as late as 23. Isn't that a bitch!? Makes sense as to why the teenaged years can be so tough.

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[Pansygirl]

We all mature differently and I think that even as grown adults we make mistakes that we must stand behind.

I'm giving each lady the benefit of the doubt since I don't know them.
I know we have the edited version............

[kwtaylor]

Originally Posted by shoepie

The ability to anticiapte the consequences of our actions is the last thing to develop in our brains and it can be as late as 23. Isn't that a bitch!? Makes sense as to why the teenaged years can be so tough.

I' ve read differently on that--but, are you referring to reaching postformal operational thought? I know formal operational thought occurs between the ages of 12-20. But, post formal operational thought sometimes never occurs.

[shoepie]

Originally Posted by kwtaylor

I' ve read differently on that--but, are you referring to reaching postformal operational thought? I know formal operational thought occurs between the ages of 12-20. But, post formal operational thought sometimes never occurs.

Dr Phil talks about this frequently. And I worded it as he does.

[nennie]

Originally Posted by shoepie

I totally agree. There are always some who support the "negative F2" edit but Fleiss aims to make F1 the shining star.
I don't see Shayne as F1 on two counts. Aside from her petulance she is 22 years old. Our brains are not even fully developed until 23 in some cases.

Love her sense of style though.

Shoepie I may have to agree with you on the age. I look back and realize I was as dumb as a box of rocks at 23 and wonder sometimes how I survived. I had already been narried 6 yrs. by then, didn't make me any smarter. I hope at 53 I'm a little smarter. By the way I wouldn't want to be 23 again.

[casualfan]

Originally Posted by shoepie

Dr Phil talks about this frequently. And I worded it as he does.

I'm guessing Dr. Phil wouldn't exactly approve of the Bachelor in general . 22 is young, but maturity differs between people. Matt seems to have kept a range of ages so far and we think that his F3 are all his age or younger.

[Bloomers]

Note some of the stunts that college-aged students (up through 23 with all of the 5 year now required programs) pull. They are foolish, and yet we know that intellectually these young people are "smart", or they would not have been able to have passed the entrance requirements or have scholastically maintained the grades to remain in school.
There is, however, a difference between being smart and being wise.

Sometimes wisdom comes with age, and I equate it with the biological process of osmosis. As the plant "sucks" up water and nutrients from the ground and turns it into food, we draw from the experiences of life and turn that knowledge into wisdom.
That process usually takes time.

[rileymeboy]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

When I compare last season to other seasons, I would have to say that DeAnna's was a negative edit in the vein of prominent F2s like Moana and Bevin in that her edit was harsh. Yes, it softened, but it was allowed to be brought back glaringly to everybody's remembrance front and center by Chris Harrison's prompting of the girls' comments at the WTA. Jenni's edit, on the other hand, was softer and was meant to cast doubt on her the whole way. Was she here for the right reason? Was there really anything between them other than the amazing physical attaction as evidenced by all of the kissing and touchy-touchy?

The edits can be complicated, and although this makes me absolutely cringe to think about it, I also believe that they have paid psychologists on staff that during filming they get to help script in order to develop the psychological issues.
For instance, if this show is highly scripted as we suspect, who suggests to Fleiss that certain people are put into the exact positions which will bring out the worst angst possible given to their unique situations and personalities? How does he know to ask and prompt certain questions to certain people to get just the kind of dramatic results he wants? I don't believe that is happinstance. I don't believe the man and the producers are that smart/knowlegable about the human psychological condition to develop the plot lines themseves.

Given Shayne's family background, did he suspect that she would flare out the way that she did if she was put in the position she was in? Why was Shane put on the Vegas trip instead of the modeling trip? Was it because psychologically there was not as much a chance for her to react in a negative manner if she was put on the modeling trip? Who counseled Fleiss to put Shayne on the Vegas trip?
I believe they get professional reference and help from somebody in the psychological field, and I find that rather deplorable.

I would say yes, Fleiss probally did put Shayne in that position for a reason, they do have psychologist on the show to help with the girls. Most of the girls probally have a point of showing their true selfs i.e jealously, pettiness & etc. But putting that on tape is Fleiss choice & the way he wants us to view the girls...but remember, that flaw has to be there in order for it to be brought to the fore front.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by rileymeboy

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I would say yes, Fleiss probally did put Shayne in that position for a reason, they do have psychologist on the show to help with the girls. Most of the girls probally have a point of showing their true selfs i.e jealously, pettiness & etc. But putting that on tape is Fleiss choice & the way he wants us to view the girls...but remember, that flaw has to be there in order for it to be brought to the fore front.

The flaw is there. My point is that I think Fleiss has professional help in figuring out how to dramatically exploit it; thus, the use of the psychologist beyond the use of just counseling the girls when they are cut, etc.
The one professional action has a definite positive connotation, and the other has a nefarious connotation.

[casualfan]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

The flaw is there. My point is that I think Fleiss has professional help in figuring out how to dramatically exploit it; thus, the use of the psychologist beyond the use of just counseling the girls when they are cut, etc.
The one professional action has a definite positive connotation, and the other has a nefarious connotation.

I definitely wouldn't put it past Fleiss, but I would hope that a psychologist would not be a part of the devil's master plan. You bring up a really interesting theory, Bloomers. The girls go through a variety of mental evaluations, and it is possible I suppose for each girl to have certain personality traits that these extreme circumstances would trigger. Hmmm. Things that make you go hmmm.