Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 *SPOILERS*

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by BachNoFoolMe

There is an interview with Matt on Ellen DeGeneres that he wanted to just slam her hand down showing his very competitive side. From what we've seen of Chelsea & including clips from the Rugby Match...she is very much a tomboy type competitive person herself. I can see that playing along in a just "Good Friends" relationship between them 2. What do you think...any thoughts?

The only thing about that is that usually the F2 is not playing a role, or she doesn't know she is from what we have found out. Usually, the F2 is right in the thick of it, she is emotionally involved, and she thinks she has a very real chance of winning the Bachelor because he has led her to think that and because she has not seen him with the other 2 girls, so she can not guage how strong her connection with him really is.

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[bogey123]

Originally Posted by BachNoFoolMe

There is an interview with Matt on Ellen DeGeneres that he wanted to just slam her hand down showing his very competitive side. From what we've seen of Chelsea & including clips from the Rugby Match...she is very much a tomboy type competitive person herself. I can see that playing along in a just "Good Friends" relationship between them 2. What do you think...any thoughts?

Yes, BachNoFoolMe,

He appears to like Chelsea very much. I see the "good friend" scenario thus far, but nothing surprises me with this show! We'll have to wait to see. I agree with others that she may be more into Matt, than vice versa.

[jelle]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

The only thing about that is that usually the F2 is not playing a role, or she doesn't know she is from what we have found out. Usually, the F2 is right in the thick of it, she is emotionally involved, and she thinks she has a very real chance of winning the Bachelor because he has led her to think that and because she has not seen him with the other 2 girls, so she can not guage how strong her connection with him really is.

Bloomers, I think this is a good observation. I don't think it has held true in all series, but certainly in most. Usually the bachelor really does have a strong attraction/connection to the F2 girl - it just does not work quite right or there is something that won't fit.

[JoLena]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

The only thing about that is that usually the F2 is not playing a role, or she doesn't know she is from what we have found out. Usually, the F2 is right in the thick of it, she is emotionally involved, and she thinks she has a very real chance of winning the Bachelor because he has led her to think that and because she has not seen him with the other 2 girls, so she can not guage how strong her connection with him really is.

I agree. I think the F1 will more then likely be seperated from the F2 & F3 girls on the group dates. It's something to watch for. I remember noticing that with Tessa and Bevin. I think the only date they were on together was the 1st group date on the Bull. After that , Bevin went to Vegas /no Tessa. Bevin went to school yard/ no tessa. On the Boat Bevin to the back /Tessa in front.. I think it could be something to watch out for in determining the F2.
I mentioned before , that I think once the bachelor pretty much has his sight on a favorite, they try to protect her from watching the bachelor play up to the other girl, because we know he has to do some heavy kissing and convincing to string F2 along. IT's how the show works. JMO

[longhornalum]

Originally Posted by bachlorfan

I think once the bachelor pretty much has his sight on a favorite, they try to protect her from watching the bachelor play up to the other girl, because we know he has to do some heavy kissing and convincing to string F2 along. IT's how the show works. JMO

And visa versa, they keep the F2 from seeing his interactions with F1. In many of the ATFR shows, the F2 admits to not realizing the Bachelor preferred F1 until F2 finally viewed the episodes. They were honestly clueless they were being strung along. More drama for Fleiss at the FRC, of course.

[Lynn7]

I just noticed something that I wanted to discuss. Again, these are screencaps so what I may see might not be how it plays out. Having said that it continues to support my thoughts about the relationship between Matt and Shayne.


What strikes me about this picture the most is where her legs are. They are crossed and facing completely away from Matt. She's practically twisting around to kiss him. This reads as no sexual interest and guarding herself. This is the winery date coming up so it could be that it's explained by the newness but didn't she say she already has feelings for him? If that is true, and she did say that last week, her body language is contradicting what her mouth is saying. Add to that the nodding no while saying she's here for Matt and only Matt I'd be very surprised if she was F1.



In both of these photos she's crossing her legs, at the ankle. Again, this reads as guarding herself; protecting herself sexually. She also seems to be playing with her hair in both shots which can read as nervous or anxious. I'll have a better read on Monday if we are shown this scene.

With Matt, while he is holding her he's holding her in a kind of limp way. Either he doesn't know how to hold a woman that he's really attracted to or he's just casually holding her; as in a friendly way. The other thing that has to do with the way he is holding her is that it is still reading as parental and protective. He does at least seem interested in what she is saying though. I wouldn't say engaged or engrossed; lost in her, that kind of thing. Again, I'll know better on Monday.




Now, with these photos, which we all believe are the fantasy date in Barbados, it's hard to tell if Matt is gripping his left wrist with his right hand but he doesn't seem to be holding her how I would read as never wanting to let her go but more of a holding her like that because it might be awkward kissing while sitting like that so they can kiss without falling over. Very hard to explain what I'm trying to say....arggh.

With Shayne, once again, she is protecting herself with her arms being up around their neck area (similar to the fantasy suite photo). She isn't holding his face nor does she have her arms around him. Instead she has her arms up between them which can be read as so many things. Physically protecting herself from closeness; guarded; you can invade some of my personal space but not all of it; you'll never have all of me. This is why I'm kind of stumped as to why she makes it to F3. Throughout the various show photos there doesn't seem to be a progression of true affection on her part and, for his part, Matt continues to show more of a protective parental type affection than a romantic protection.

[pajamasam]

This is why I'm kind of stumped as to why she makes it to F3. Throughout the various show photos there doesn't seem to be a progression of true affection on her part and, for his part, Matt continues to show more of a protective parental type affection than a romantic protection.

Maybe he only developed feelings for one woman, and that one woman is not Shayne. He's still got to keep three around for the fantasy dates.

[catn3d]

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What strikes me about this picture the most is where her legs are. They are crossed and facing completely away from Matt. She's practically twisting around to kiss him

Where do you see her feet in this picture?

[Lynn7]

Originally Posted by catn3d

Where do you see her feet in this picture?

If you look over to the right of the photo you can see her legs are crossed and she's wearing the same light coloured pointed boots that she was wearing as they are walking toward the winery shown in another screencap.

[longhornalum]

Originally Posted by Lynn7

If you look over to the right of the photo you can see her legs are crossed and she's wearing the same light coloured pointed boots that she was wearing as they are walking toward the winery shown in another screencap.

Lynn7, you've done it again. You've pointed out things beyond the obvious until you are shown them. Everytime I log on now, I first look for your new posts. Thanks for enlightening us.