Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 *SPOILERS*

[BachNoFoolMe]

Originally Posted by Lynn7

This is what I'm trying to say and you said it so much better. In the early stages of romance, where things are new and exciting, lots of passion, you should always see signs of a 'question.' What I mean by that is that there is continual touching in some way. Hand holding where a thumb or finger is stroking the new love of your life's hand...it's a question in a way...are you still there? Just wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you regardless of what is going on around us. That kind of thing. It also evidences itself in leaning into each other to give a non-armed hug. Not squishy but bumping in a way. The same thing with leg touching or foot touching or patting/touching your love's arm. Sometimes it's subtle; other times it's obvious. For example, think about moving your leg back and forth and touching the love of your life with it. While that can have sexual connotations it is still the 'question' that I look for. "Do you know that I'm here?" We're together. I'm with you/him/her. It's a silent language, a romantic non-audible musical playing between them, that helps the emotional and physical connection flourish. I did see Matt do that two or three times but, overall, it was scarily lacking for the latest 'soulmates' from the show.

As a relationship blossoms and has more duration to it, for a happy relationship anyway, you should still see these 'questions' being played out. I see it all the time when I'm out at restaurants or walking down the street. I've said before how difficult it can be sometimes to feel like a voyeur but there are also positives, too. It reassures me that people can be passionate about each other, they have *that* secret, regardless of their age. So it's not *all* bad.

New love...there is an incredible aura between the two of you & it pulls you towards the other naturally & expressing your feelings physically is an extension of that aura. Matt was the one who made the point to Chelsea that to be with him, one has to like PDA. & we know from watching the editing, that Shayne & him showed the PDA strongly & so I guess that is what I expected to see considering the realm they are showing they are suppose to be so much in love in such a short period of time & being engaged to marry. You see PDA go from one extreme to very little in different interviews. Hot & cold......

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[BachNoFoolMe]

Originally Posted by SweetTexasGal

Your welcome! I never got to say welcome to you. Before I knew it....I was reading 6 to 15 hours of posts to keep up! So welcome and I have read all your posts as well. Thank you for some of your posts, I have learned much but just not as fast as some of these "seasoned sleuthers". Lol. Look forward to having you post on the other side for DeAnna!!!

Michelle

I came onto the Fort after the Bach 12 had already starting airing. It was very hard to catch up on the posts! & then after every Monday night, you get behind again. Now we have Deanna's season being 2hours long...more for us to analyze & jabber about so I have a feeling from here on out it will be difficult to keep caught up.

[SweetTexasGal]

Originally Posted by BachNoFoolMe

I came onto the Fort after the Bach 12 had already starting airing. It was very hard to catch up on the posts! & then after every Monday night, you get behind again. Now we have Deanna's season being 2hours long...more for us to analyze & jabber about so I have a feeling from here on out it will be difficult to keep caught up.

Oh heck, I will be up all night trying to catch up At least I am single and only have the "fuzzy" children and they are starting to get an attitude. My dishes are piling up and pretty bad when you wash clothes and then grab the next days wear out of the basket. Sheesh!!! I am hooked

I am so ready for DeAnna. I know she is a strong lady and hopefully it won't turn into a fiasco. Besides, her 25 are a little easier on my eyes

See you over there and nice to meet you.

Michelle

[northernviewer]

Originally Posted by SweetTexasGal

Oh heck, I will be up all night trying to catch up At least I am single and only have the "fuzzy" children and they are starting to get an attitude. My dishes are piling up and pretty bad when you wash clothes and then grab the next days wear out of the basket. Sheesh!!! I am hooked

I am so ready for DeAnna. I know she is a strong lady and hopefully it won't turn into a fiasco. Besides, her 25 are a little easier on my eyes

See you over there and nice to meet you.

Michelle

I here ya - I keep checking the board too - it's addictive. I wish you posters would just stop being so darn interesting

[TazoChai]

Originally Posted by Lynn7

This is what I'm trying to say and you said it so much better. In the early stages of romance, where things are new and exciting, lots of passion, you should always see signs of a 'question.' What I mean by that is that there is continual touching in some way. Hand holding where a thumb or finger is stroking the new love of your life's hand...it's a question in a way...are you still there? Just wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you regardless of what is going on around us. That kind of thing. It also evidences itself in leaning into each other to give a non-armed hug. Not squishy but bumping in a way. The same thing with leg touching or foot touching or patting/touching your love's arm. Sometimes it's subtle; other times it's obvious. For example, think about moving your leg back and forth and touching the love of your life with it. While that can have sexual connotations it is still the 'question' that I look for. "Do you know that I'm here?" We're together. I'm with you/him/her. It's a silent language, a romantic non-audible musical playing between them, that helps the emotional and physical connection flourish. I did see Matt do that two or three times but, overall, it was scarily lacking for the latest 'soulmates' from the show.

As a relationship blossoms and has more duration to it, for a happy relationship anyway, you should still see these 'questions' being played out. I see it all the time when I'm out at restaurants or walking down the street. I've said before how difficult it can be sometimes to feel like a voyeur but there are also positives, too. It reassures me that people can be passionate about each other, they have *that* secret, regardless of their age. So it's not *all* bad.

AND

Originally Posted by Lynn7

I didn't realize there was a "Happy Couple" marketing campaign on that site. Hmmm...why doesn't she have extensions anymore? Was this done recently? I noticed she didn't seem to have extensions on Ellen either.

Still too much distance at the start. When she wraps her arms around Matt he seems to be going in for a kiss and she turns her face and puts it against his right shoulder. Cut: producers come in and make them sit closer together. Action! Even when they are sitting closer together she has her body in such a way that...how do you explain it...shoulder out and not shoulder in. Shoulder out reads as avoidance whereas shoulder in would have read as affectionate and cuddling. Matty boy didn't seem to impressed that she said that Chelsea had no class. He rolls his tongue around in his mouth while looking around plus he looks to go red in the cheeks. Cut: producers tell them to smile more; laugh more; cuddle more. Action! Shayne looks to zone off while he is talking about the ring then remembers the ring. I do believe that he picked that ring *for* Shayne and that he wasn't humming and hawwing at the end as to who to pick. There is more smiles and more laughter. Then, shoulder in this time, Matt rubs her right shoulder, they are all cuddly and smiling.

Seriously, watch it again without the volume and see if you see what I'm seeing here. This is hilarious!

I also watched the exit interview from Chelsea and I'm shocked that they are letting that air. Yikes! He told her that he loved her and couldn't wait to tell her that when he was allowed to? Or something along those lines. He essentially said his fiance was stupid and apologized for dumbing down around Chelsea? Double yikes! Well, good luck to the *cough* happy couple. Who wants to take bets on just how many hours it will last?

I completely agree with your analysis & insight. It makes complete sense. I think this relationship is doomed but I was wondering...

How much of his avoidance (romantically) could be due to his being annoyed with the situation? I'd imagine that Shayne loves the media attention and I am getting the feeling that he doesn't so much anymore.

When I picture Matt & Shayne spending time together, I imagine Matt wanting to reconnect emotionally after all of the media uproar, meanwhile Shayne is rehearsing what "they" should say in their next interview, getting to bed early so that "they" are well-rested for the interview, getting lots of calls from friends/family/media, and overall ignoring Matt... I understand why she's doing it. Her reputation in "Hollywood" is at stake, so she is stepping up her A game. Maybe he is annoyed with her & the situation. Even though he might have been "okay" with her GGW spread...I'd imagine that he could not have known ALL of the details, he might feel slighted by her.

Personally, I am getting the feeling like he really, actually likes (or liked) Shayne...but he is having to take a crash course in Shayne101 and isn't enjoying it. He stated some of his reasons for liking her in the proposal: He couldn't believe a girl like her would be interested in him, he was blown away by her beauty, etc. He might be seeing her true colors and that is what is causing him to now put up a brick wall. He also may have gotten used to their alone time together on TB and now he is frustrated that "real life" is taking so much away from their intimate (sexual or not) time.

Shayne's been in the industry. She knows what is required. He doesn't. She may be sloughing off his feelings...maybe she isn't emotionally reassuring him like she used to...I really don't know. This has just been my interpretation of these two lately.

As for astrology, I'm a cancer...I think I remember someone saying that he was too. It's hard for cancer's to not display their emotions on their sleeve, they get also hurt easily and when they get hurt, they "clam up." I see all the signs that Matt is doing this. Personally, I think he's realizing that he was a pawn and his ego & emotions don't like it one bit.

I found this from Sk8Fan:

Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #2 **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 12 (post #4326)
Quote: Does anyone know what Matt's and the F2's Birthday or astrological signs?
Matt = Cancer
Shayne = Scorpio
Chelsea = Leo

[BachNoFoolMe]

Originally Posted by SweetTexasGal

Oh heck, I will be up all night trying to catch up At least I am single and only have the "fuzzy" children and they are starting to get an attitude. My dishes are piling up and pretty bad when you wash clothes and then grab the next days wear out of the basket. Sheesh!!! I am hooked

I am so ready for DeAnna. I know she is a strong lady and hopefully it won't turn into a fiasco. Besides, her 25 are a little easier on my eyes

See you over there and nice to meet you.

Michelle

I have a home based business & spent far toooo much time on following the DB's season. Now looking back, I should of saved it for Deanna's because I think it will be so much better. Now I HAVE to get way more industrious! Thank heaven this household isn't soley dependent on my working or we would be in a lot of trouble here.... & yes, I do have those pesky little household things that get piled up!

[my#1distraction]

I haven’t seen the Ellen interview, but I remember seeing interviews with Andy and Tessa and wanting to tell them to “get a room.” When I question what I’m seeing-courtesy of Fleiss-I head to Lynn’s reads. I appreciate her reports because she says she tries to observe and report, not pick favorites and be biased.

Matt didn’t seem to have any trouble with PDA’s or touching. He was edited to say how it important it was to him. He had a pretty good hold of Marshana during the lap dance and walking off the rugby field, no problem with Noelle at different times during their 1/1 date. Even though he knows Chelsea isn’t comfortable with it, he’s holding hands with her, even when rejecting her. And then with Amanda, pulling her in to his space and putting his arm around her during the rugby game. During the 50’s date, offering her his hand in a different way than he takes the hand with any other girl. When they walk into the café he puts his arms around her shoulder and brings her toward him. The looks and holds when giving her a roses. The way he has his arm around her waist when going to her parents home, not just holding hands like on the other 3 dates. Etc etc (Oh that’s right-that was “Bob”, I thought he told Amanda he meant everything he said.”

IMHO if Shayne was the one and had only been the only one… and there is now an engagement …and so happy to be public… then it shouldn’t be any problem for a demonstrative man to want to hold close to “the one” whether on television or not. Seems to me the cameras on Ellen’s set were probably further away than they were when filming the B12 show.

By the way-Matt didn’t seem to have too much trouble hanging on to the turtle and phone booth!

[gollum]

Maybe they were showing a lack of affection for each other because they had been having a huge fight? Shayne did not seem so happy with what had happened on the show (she locked Matt out on the patio). I suspect she heard Chelsea's words very recently like the rest of us. Chelsea's departing words surely caused some stress between them.

People keep saying Chelsea was possibly lying when she said that Matt told her Shayne was stupid, but we heard him all say she is one sandwich short of a picnic and to me they mean about the same thing.

Shayne seemed very distressed about the show, and unless they got the info earlier than us...

[2observe]

Originally Posted by BachNoFoolMe

New love...there is an incredible aura between the two of you & it pulls you towards the other naturally & expressing your feelings physically is an extension of that aura. Matt was the one who made the point to Chelsea that to be with him, one has to like PDA. & we know from watching the editing, that Shayne & him showed the PDA strongly & so I guess that is what I expected to see considering the realm they are showing they are suppose to be so much in love in such a short period of time & being engaged to marry. You see PDA go from one extreme to very little in different interviews. Hot & cold......

Did anyone consider the nature of the conversation that was going on at the time? Most of the conversation (as i recall) was about Matt's actions with Chelsea and how he was kissing other women. That was NOT a comfortable conversation for either of them. I noticed that no one seemed to noticed that Matt and Shayne were holding hands when that first came on the show, and then he let go so that she could walk ahead of him towards Ellen.

[BachNoFoolMe]

Originally Posted by 2observe

Did anyone consider the nature of the conversation that was going on at the time? Most of the conversation (as i recall) was about Matt's actions with Chelsea and how he was kissing other women. That was NOT a comfortable conversation for either of them. I noticed that no one seemed to noticed that Matt and Shayne were holding hands when that first came on the show, and then he let go so that she could walk ahead of him towards Ellen.

I saw the hand holding but I'm talking about the sitting. Right from the start the space was there. Why should it be uncomfortable for them when they've already talked it all out like they both said?