Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 *SPOILERS* - Page 111

hayleysmommy · 04-22-2008, 12:38 AM

I can't wait to hear your take on the dates. My hubby was totally intrigued with Amanda and Matt. They looked so in tuned with each other when they had alone time. Very intimate. I loved how he was looking at her when he brushed her hair back.. I think I am swooning over here. Tell me I didn't imagine it and my swooning is justified. LOL!!

Google · Sponsored Links

kcrom53 · 04-22-2008, 01:13 AM

In the hands thread, they are swearing that it is Shayne's hand, but what I saw with Amanda, when he had his head on her arm upstairs was the most intimate scene I've seen this season. They seemed like a couple. Oh for 3 weeks being gone already.

Lynn7 · 04-22-2008, 01:46 AM

Wine: check (I slowed down; I seemed to be practically

leading up to the show I was so anxious

)
Comfy chair: check
Mr. Fabulous: check

First off. There's a ring! There's a ring!

First up, Shayne. Matt seemd a little disinterested earlier in the conversation with Shayne. He was looking away a fair bit, raising his eyebrows, even their greeting he didn't seem like he had anywhere near the kind of affection that he has indicated in the past. In fact, Matt had a more beaming smile when Mr. Hollywood walked in. When her dad said that, "her feelings are very important to me too," Shayne read as she didn't believe her dad. She loses all expression in her face, looks down and it reads as skeptical; disbelief. Shayne looked mortified that her dad brought up "wants to be a star" and when she said that she wanted to crawl up into a ball I believed her. When she started to get a little emotional trying to convince Matt and her dad that she's there for the right reasons Matt kind of patts her shoulder. I refer to this as the friend patt, take one for the team patt. Even when she put both of her hands near his, reading as asking for reassurance, he doesn't touch her hands and, instead, keeps his hands to himself. The talk that Matt had with Lorenzo seemed like Matt was desperately seeking 'something.' He blinks, he has his chin resting on his hand a couple of times and when he says, "It's almost too good to be true," he has his face in his and is looking down, almost looking wistful, it reads as recognition that 'it is' too good to be true and he's disappointed with the realization.

When Shayne says that it's time to go to her mom's place and she leans into him to hug him he has a very telling expression on his face. I'm hesitant to use this phraseology but it really reads like, "Good god, do we have to?" It's at the 8 minute mark. He leans his head back slightly, does a flinch kind of blink and seems to take in a slight breath.

Did she really say, "callment?" instead of 'comment?'

Good grief. Did her mother have *anything* that was real on her body? Scary. I guess, if this is what Matt wants in the future then her mom is a perfect example of how beauty can be destroyed by surgery. *sigh* The entire vibe changed completely between the two parents' visits. Things were so light and carefree while at the mom's house. If Shayne was trying to convince her father and Matt that she was 'here' for the right reasons then she might have told her mom not to bring out the family video which clearly shows a young lady who wants to be a 'star.' If anything, I would think it would reinforce, to Matt, that she does want to be a star. Pointed finger rubbing the brow while he's saying, "I was really intrigued to see her *mother*," (* emphasis) reads like he was a little floored and not in a positive way.

For those counting: 20 minutes into the show, including commercials and the date ends. I don't know how long it was without commercials.

Next up, Chelsea. Matt seemed so much at ease meeting Chelsea's family. His facial expressions were very relaxed. Lots of smiling eyes from Matt. Matt seemed uncomfortable, pensive, and so did her dad, awkward, when Chelsea says, "I could pull out of this just as easily mom," to which her mom answers, "that's true. His eyes get a little wide. Uhmm...nice voice over, "I've fallen in love with her," LOL while talking to her mom. His body language, left hand between crossed legs, fisted right hand under his chin, reads as very guarded and defensive. There was a really nice caring look in his eyes at a particular moment before they started kissing and, yet, when he gets in the SUV he seems like he is ready to go.

For those counting: 6 minutes of date time, excluding commercials.

Next up, Noelle. Thanks for NOT showing the cow Fleiss

*hmph!* and thanks for NOT showing the flipping piggyback!! ARRGGHH!!

I don't really have much to say because we know she leaves. She seemed so open to him the first night and has become so much more guarded along the way. When Matt was telling them about settling down, and they were talking about marrying their best friend, Matt looks down, and then down a little more, nodding yes, and his whole expression seems as though he knows how important that is to him but it's not in the room. It's like an acknowledgement that Noelle isn't *that* person.

For those counting: 7 minutes of date time, excluding commercials.

Finally, Amanda.

Mr. Fabulous had no idea that the parents were actors until I told him. He found the whole thing gut wretching funny as did I. Matt really was trying hard with the fake parents despite how horrid they were toward him. There were so many moments where his expression indicated that he was thinking, "are these people for real?" as in questioning whether or not this was a joke or not. I loved how he guzzled his beer during the exchange in the livingroom; he was obviously a little overwhelmed

I love how he kept looking over to the producers? like, "get me out of this!" At first Matt seemed shocked that she had pulled the prank but, later, after it seemed to sink in, he got a kick out of it. When they had their alone time together he is laying on the couch, completely open, surrendering himself to her. The stroking the hair was also tender. I didn't see the same bliss in his eyes but I did see the smiling eyes and there was a seriousness in his expression.

For those counting: 7 minutes of date time, excluding commercials.

I probably need to watch it again to get an even better read but, at this point, I'm still not sure what to think. The 'look' that he gave Chelsea for a moment there almost leads me to believe that he is masking his real affection for her and allowed me a glimpse. The time with Amanda reads like giving himself to her, completely. I didn't read anything concrete with Shayne this time so I don't know if he was SO nervous meeting her dad first up or if his feelings are beginning to wane.

Incidentally, this look is from the date with Amanda. People tried to convince me otherwise but...

beeleever · 04-22-2008, 01:54 AM

Lynn, Are you convinced the hand/thumb is Shayne like the rest of the expert sleuthers?

sclilred1 · 04-22-2008, 01:55 AM

Thank you Lynn!!! You always do such a great job on these!

hayleysmommy · 04-22-2008, 01:56 AM

Brilliant! As always. Soo.. it's okay to be swooning over Matt and Amanda's alone time? It just looked so intimate. I felt like I was intruding while watching. Thanks for your great analysis. I love reading your posts.

they are always full of things I didn't catch.

bugsme3 · 04-22-2008, 01:59 AM

Please rewatch again you might have miss something.

Lynn7 · 04-22-2008, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrom53

In the hands thread, they are swearing that it is Shayne's hand, but what I saw with Amanda, when he had his head on her arm upstairs was the most intimate scene I've seen this season. They seemed like a couple. Oh for 3 weeks being gone already.

I can't even find a screencap of Shayne's thumb. Her hands seem like they are always clapsed.

Here are Amanda's and Chelsea's thumbs. It looks like Amanda's but I'll have to keep checking.

FanOfUnrealTV · 04-22-2008, 02:19 AM

There are a few caps that show her thumb (although it's her right thumb) from tonight's episode when she walks up to accept her rose.

Lynn7 · 04-22-2008, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg701

My take on some BL, with Matt and Amanda alone on the HTD. He was more laying down, kinda like being submissive and wanting her to take control or take the lead. At the time I thought "oh wow, he has just totally given himself to her."

Wow, great minds think alike

It read like surrender to me but submissive is just as accurate. Isn't that weird how we *both* saw the same thing during that moment?

04-22-2008, 12:38 AM	#1101
hayleysmommy what? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~in my own world~ Posts: 1,358	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS I can't wait to hear your take on the dates. My hubby was totally intrigued with Amanda and Matt. They looked so in tuned with each other when they had alone time. Very intimate. I loved how he was looking at her when he brushed her hair back.. I think I am swooning over here. Tell me I didn't imagine it and my swooning is justified. LOL!! __________________ "Reality is the leading cause of stress among those in touch with it!" Lily Tomlin

04-22-2008, 01:13 AM	#1102
kcrom53 FORT Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 18	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS In the hands thread, they are swearing that it is Shayne's hand, but what I saw with Amanda, when he had his head on her arm upstairs was the most intimate scene I've seen this season. They seemed like a couple. Oh for 3 weeks being gone already.

04-22-2008, 01:46 AM	#1103
Lynn7 Super Fort Fan Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Age: 43 Posts: 3,897	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS Wine: check (I slowed down; I seemed to be practically leading up to the show I was so anxious ) Comfy chair: check Mr. Fabulous: check First off. There's a ring! There's a ring! First up, Shayne. Matt seemd a little disinterested earlier in the conversation with Shayne. He was looking away a fair bit, raising his eyebrows, even their greeting he didn't seem like he had anywhere near the kind of affection that he has indicated in the past. In fact, Matt had a more beaming smile when Mr. Hollywood walked in. When her dad said that, "her feelings are very important to me too," Shayne read as she didn't believe her dad. She loses all expression in her face, looks down and it reads as skeptical; disbelief. Shayne looked mortified that her dad brought up "wants to be a star" and when she said that she wanted to crawl up into a ball I believed her. When she started to get a little emotional trying to convince Matt and her dad that she's there for the right reasons Matt kind of patts her shoulder. I refer to this as the friend patt, take one for the team patt. Even when she put both of her hands near his, reading as asking for reassurance, he doesn't touch her hands and, instead, keeps his hands to himself. The talk that Matt had with Lorenzo seemed like Matt was desperately seeking 'something.' He blinks, he has his chin resting on his hand a couple of times and when he says, "It's almost too good to be true," he has his face in his and is looking down, almost looking wistful, it reads as recognition that 'it is' too good to be true and he's disappointed with the realization. When Shayne says that it's time to go to her mom's place and she leans into him to hug him he has a very telling expression on his face. I'm hesitant to use this phraseology but it really reads like, "Good god, do we have to?" It's at the 8 minute mark. He leans his head back slightly, does a flinch kind of blink and seems to take in a slight breath. Did she really say, "callment?" instead of 'comment?' Good grief. Did her mother have anything that was real on her body? Scary. I guess, if this is what Matt wants in the future then her mom is a perfect example of how beauty can be destroyed by surgery. sigh The entire vibe changed completely between the two parents' visits. Things were so light and carefree while at the mom's house. If Shayne was trying to convince her father and Matt that she was 'here' for the right reasons then she might have told her mom not to bring out the family video which clearly shows a young lady who wants to be a 'star.' If anything, I would think it would reinforce, to Matt, that she does want to be a star. Pointed finger rubbing the brow while he's saying, "I was really intrigued to see her mother," (* emphasis) reads like he was a little floored and not in a positive way. For those counting: 20 minutes into the show, including commercials and the date ends. I don't know how long it was without commercials. Next up, Chelsea. Matt seemed so much at ease meeting Chelsea's family. His facial expressions were very relaxed. Lots of smiling eyes from Matt. Matt seemed uncomfortable, pensive, and so did her dad, awkward, when Chelsea says, "I could pull out of this just as easily mom," to which her mom answers, "that's true. His eyes get a little wide. Uhmm...nice voice over, "I've fallen in love with her," LOL while talking to her mom. His body language, left hand between crossed legs, fisted right hand under his chin, reads as very guarded and defensive. There was a really nice caring look in his eyes at a particular moment before they started kissing and, yet, when he gets in the SUV he seems like he is ready to go. For those counting: 6 minutes of date time, excluding commercials. Next up, Noelle. Thanks for NOT showing the cow Fleiss hmph! and thanks for NOT showing the flipping piggyback!! ARRGGHH!! I don't really have much to say because we know she leaves. She seemed so open to him the first night and has become so much more guarded along the way. When Matt was telling them about settling down, and they were talking about marrying their best friend, Matt looks down, and then down a little more, nodding yes, and his whole expression seems as though he knows how important that is to him but it's not in the room. It's like an acknowledgement that Noelle isn't that person. For those counting: 7 minutes of date time, excluding commercials. Finally, Amanda. Mr. Fabulous had no idea that the parents were actors until I told him. He found the whole thing gut wretching funny as did I. Matt really was trying hard with the fake parents despite how horrid they were toward him. There were so many moments where his expression indicated that he was thinking, "are these people for real?" as in questioning whether or not this was a joke or not. I loved how he guzzled his beer during the exchange in the livingroom; he was obviously a little overwhelmed I love how he kept looking over to the producers? like, "get me out of this!" At first Matt seemed shocked that she had pulled the prank but, later, after it seemed to sink in, he got a kick out of it. When they had their alone time together he is laying on the couch, completely open, surrendering himself to her. The stroking the hair was also tender. I didn't see the same bliss in his eyes but I did see the smiling eyes and there was a seriousness in his expression. For those counting: 7 minutes of date time, excluding commercials. I probably need to watch it again to get an even better read but, at this point, I'm still not sure what to think. The 'look' that he gave Chelsea for a moment there almost leads me to believe that he is masking his real affection for her and allowed me a glimpse. The time with Amanda reads like giving himself to her, completely. I didn't read anything concrete with Shayne this time so I don't know if he was SO nervous meeting her dad first up or if his feelings are beginning to wane. Incidentally, this look is from the date with Amanda. People tried to convince me otherwise but...

04-22-2008, 01:54 AM	#1104
beeleever FORT Fan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 196	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS Lynn, Are you convinced the hand/thumb is Shayne like the rest of the expert sleuthers?

04-22-2008, 01:55 AM	#1105
sclilred1 FORT Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 587	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS Thank you Lynn!!! You always do such a great job on these!

04-22-2008, 01:56 AM	#1106
hayleysmommy what? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~in my own world~ Posts: 1,358	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS Brilliant! As always. Soo.. it's okay to be swooning over Matt and Amanda's alone time? It just looked so intimate. I felt like I was intruding while watching. Thanks for your great analysis. I love reading your posts. they are always full of things I didn't catch. __________________ "Reality is the leading cause of stress among those in touch with it!" Lily Tomlin

04-22-2008, 01:59 AM	#1107
bugsme3 FORT Fogey Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,126	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS Please rewatch again you might have miss something.

04-22-2008, 02:19 AM	#1109
FanOfUnrealTV FORT Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 644	Re: Body, Lip and Facial Communication Bachelor 12 SPOILERS There are a few caps that show her thumb (although it's her right thumb) from tonight's episode when she walks up to accept her rose.