Part 4: "Spoilers & Screencap Analysis ONLY" **SPOILERS** - Bachelor 11

[Zinnia]

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Could it be that Brad decided at the last minute "design and buy" the engagement ring himself?

I don't think that's a big enough deal. Both Aaron & Andrew bought their rings.

Wow, this looks like a big "but" moment...I can't get Armd pic's to post...it's the 2nd one of Brad and DeAnna...

Your link is too long. Take the link to TinyURL.com, then post the tiny link.

Yea, the lighting is all over the place in DeAnna's sc's ... it is hitting Brad in the back of the head when it should be on his face.

Also, when it is shining on Jenni's face, the back of Brad's head doesn't have sunlight hitting it.

In Jenni's sc when Brad's face is showing, the sunlight is hitting the top and back of his head. In DeAnna's sc when DeAnna's face is showing, the light is not hitting the top of her head, but only the back ... looks like artificial lighting, but the plants when DeAnna and Jenni are walking up look to have the same lighting.

Jenni is shown to be walking up last ... so she is probably first to arrive.

In DeAnna's FRC when Brad is talking to her, when the camera is on DeAnna, she's backlit by the setting sun, and he's lit from the front. But when he's talking on camera, there's no direct sunlight on either of them, but they're lit from the east, his back, her front.

Next compare backgrounds, the green of the leaves. They are bright green with Jenni's FRC and at the start of DeAnna's. But when Brad is talking, on camera, to DeAnna, the colors are muted.

1) DeAnna's FRC is definately at sundown.
2) The part where Brad is taking, on camera, to DeAnna, is after sundown, artificially lit.
3) It's just after sundown as the sky is darker blue, but not yet dark.
4) As DeAnna is there after sunset, she's there last, and therefore the winner.
5) The sitting pic is after sunset, the day of the FRC.
6) As the ring is strongly featured, there is a proposal.
7) As Chris says bride, and doesn't say "will she accept", DeAnna accepts.

my concern would be her family giving that ring on this show...it would be very touching but risky!

Risky? How? He gives it to DeAnna. It never leaves her family.

But I can't imagine a missed opportunity for Chopard to get in a plug for providing the ring. And it is their ringbox.

But Brad is not deceptive. He wouldn't be smiling and then say, oh by the way....? Don't ya think that wouldn't fit Brad?

Although nominally a reality show, this thing is always heavily scripted. They prompt the bachelor what to say at the FRC. They even reshoot some scenes.

Wow, you may be onto something. Compare
Light to the side/behind Brad?
Now the light is behind Deanna and shining on the front/side of Brad's face?
Weird! Maybe they set the lights up halfway through?

DeAnna's FRC was delayed. The sun went down in the meantime, forcing the use of artificial lights.

... we have to form a group now they are already looking for new bachelor

Bachelor 12 pre-season is about to start!

Just let me get through Christmas, and I'm all on it.

With the writer's strike, The Bachelor is more needed by ABC than ever. As for The Bachelorette, if Fleiss can throw one together quickly, I think ABC would buy it. This may be the best hope for another Bachelorette.

I laughed when I saw this and had a moment of "I was right" too, as I know some doubted when I said it could be from ring shopping because it had not been done before.

What had not been done before? Wear a suit ring shopping? It used to be the rule. Aaron, Andrew, etc.

Question about artificial lighting-- if it was being used, wouldn't it have to be up on the raised area where Brad is? B/c if you look at cloudy picture of him standing there by himself, you can see a pretty wide angle, and there's no way for the lights to be set up anywhere near him (due to a dropoff around that wall). And if there were lights set up, they'd be visible in that shot, right???

Nope, they'd be suspended from a crane, out of sight.

Remember the ring on the chain?

Remember what a disaster it was?

Someone decode this facial expression for me, please. Is she "crushed", moved by the beautiful things he's saying, overwhelmed with emotion and love, or just resigned ?

She not reacting to what he says on camera. That's spliced in. This is well before that time. DeAnna's FRC will set the record for length.

She does look beautiful but sun is still coming from Northwest, not the west.

The sun can't possibly come from the northwest. Malibu is located north of the Tropic of Cancer. The sun never even makes it to due west, let alone northwest.

i have a question..why does fliess put the girls on differnt sides. I understand one side has the better ring shot but why does the rejected girl have to stand on the opposite side???

I've been asking that for years. I still don't know.

I just read a post in an AOL forum that Deanna was spotted in an Austin, TX gym yesterday. HMMMMM!

And not one person had a camera phone? HMMMM indeed.

We get these unsubstantiated rumors every season.

What's the deal with being spotted in gyms shortly before the FRC airs? Wasn't Sarah posted working out in the same gym where Travis worked out a few seasons ago (at the same time, I recall...but they didn't speak to each other)?

Sarah S and Travis lived about a mile from one another. How many nearby gyms could there be?

You know, if I were on the show and was jilted....I might have fun taking a little trip to near where 'The Bachelor' lived and getting a kick out of all the show fanatics seeing me and saying, "Oh my God!!! It must be her!"

The bachelorettes have five million reasons not to due that. Their contracts forbid it. $5 million penalty.

Wanna hear a wild speculation?

F2 arrives on the podium and Brad tells her he hasn't chosen her.
F1 then arrives and joins him on the podium and he realizes something and his heart takes over and knows that he just let the love of his life walk away.
He tells the crew to go run and get F2, knowing she is the one he truly doesn't want to live without..... then Brad finally proposes at the end of the night.


Yeah, I know.....But I'm sitting here racking my brain to come up with a scenario that would encompass: Brad waiting there in the dark with the ring, having "the public be unhappy with him", AND be a shocking ending.....!!!

HA!

So the other gal arrives in the meantime for a second rejection?
While that's going on, the first gal is crying her puffy eyes out in the limo-of-sorrow.

If that happened to you, would you return? Or tell him to go to hell?

Now that would the most shocking rose ceremony ever!

At the beginning of next weeks previews there are close-up shots of the FRC rose pedestal, on the side is a carving and the camera stays on it for awhile. It looks like the sun god 'Ra', does anyone else see this??

Jenni dances for the Sun's doesn't she??? a clue perhaps?

Or is it that it's a Greek god??

Now I just was wondering if this could mean anything at all or...on second thought probably nothing as it could apply to either one.

I doubt DeAnna is a pagan.

But Apollo was the Greek sun god. Ra was the Egyptian one.

[mel1962]

last week the shots showed Jenny coming in first and this week Deanna coming in first. Isn't that right? And, if so, why the change up thsi week?

Also, at the end with Jenny doing her dancing and then saying she is done, done, done, I am sure that does not mean anything but it is most interesting of the show to show only her at the end. I suppose it could mean something and that something could be either way depending on who you are pulling for.

[mel1962]

Yup so she knows Brad better then we are led to believe. LOL

Something is amiss for sure!! He chooses neither. Works for me!!

Then why go through the trouble of ring hunting and purchasing a ring only to have to take it back after the show? I know I hate to return things and why waste the footage? I suppose for the purpose of the show it must be done.

To me what I found amusing was that Brad kept moving his head down while talking to Deanna and with Jenny he never took his eyes off her. Now that being said could be a couple of things. 1 the sun was in his eyes while talking with De, 2 he is going to break her heart or 3 he is so choked up with emotion he is trying to compose himself before asking her to marry him (or number 2 above).

The shocking ending could be so many things. The chosen lady says no or they have a wedding or he realizes after letting the other lady go it was a mistake and he wants her back or he chooses niether one (go back to my comment about buying a ring above). One thing is for certain as well, when Chris made the statement last night about will it be Deanna or Jenni there was no expression on Brad's face one way or the other. Was that was a telling sign? Or just nothing? Meaning, his face didn't light up with the mention of either girl and perhaps that part was spliced so we couldn't see how he reacted with each girls named being called and then again maybe it was the actual shot. I don't know about that sort of stuff but did find it interesting that his expression didn't really change one way or the other.

The other thing that I found interesting was how the show switched up the girls this week (which I already mention in another post) and how they gave us more 'words" this week with each girl and how Jenny is still "always smiling" and Deanna still has "her face full of emotions that just dont' change" at least for me they do not. When she is serious she is and those seem to be the only shots of her. Serious ones.

Another thing is for certain. Each of us are going to see and read what we want to see and read depending on which girl we want to win. Personally I think either are okay but I am not Brad (thank God) and really could care less. The overall thrill for me with this show are all the "sluthers" and how we all work hard to figure out who is going to win. It is always a great learning experience and always an interesting one at best. So, with that being said...Brad if you ever do read this site...good luck.

JMO

[kittykat3006]

Looks like Jenni is F1, but Fleiss would never stick his precious F1 out there for the big proposal with sun blaring in her eyes. Never!

Never say never

[Need40winks]

How about......

Brad decides he let someone go earlier in the show that he shouldn't have. (Chris saying somewhere; "Did Brad make a mistake?", crazy ending with a twist making Bachelor history.)
So, Brad rejects both women at the ceremony. (Hence the SC of him sitting forlornly looking at the ring.)
Then at the ATFR show it is revealed that Brad and Sheena have been dating and are engaged. (Bevin's leg w/red dress SC, rumor that an earlier rejected bachelorette returns, crazy ending, and Chad telling Sheena at the WTA how he hands down respects her more than ever.)

It could happen.

BTW..being from the Wichita area I have been pulling for Jenni.

[dreamitup]

i have a question..why does Fleiss put the girls on different sides. I understand one side has the better ring shot but why does the rejected girl have to stand on the opposite side???

Because of the positioning of the sun. Morning sun from the left...evening sun from the right. The sun...shine... is definitely on Jenni's face. Hence, she comes in after DeAnna.

Furrowed brows on Brad can only mean one thing.

Why Jenni moving to music at the end??? ... The camera crew has also fallen for this girl.

The big ending...nothing more than a love story from beginning to end. Nothing has ever happened in The Bachelor like this before. "You won't believe how it ends". That's it...don't look for anything more.

Does a man get any happier than Brad appears to be!!!

[kittykat3006]

Honestly, it would be different if we were shown

"Marriage for you is one time and one time only. I feel the same way BUT..."

instead of just

"Marriage for you is one time and one time only. I feel the same way..."

because Fleiss sets out to show viewers/non-sleuthers the opposite of what was going on, to get them to believe something false.

but because there was not "BUT," it makes the viewers think Deanna is going to get pick, even though she is not..

... this is coming from a BIG Deanna fan, I'm just trying to be as objective as I can or just play the Devil's Advocate

ITA. This is typical of Fleiss, setting up the casual viewer to think its Deanna because he threw the word "marriage" into the preview. Casual viewers don't analyze the facial expressions, lighting, etc. like we do. Just looking at the facial shots of Brad with each girl, you can totally tell he has that uncomfortable look on his face with Deanna, the furrowed brow, not keeping eye contact, his eyebrows up at that angle we saw on he and Bettina's hometown. With Jenni, he is doing a bad job of containing his grin

I believe that we had something like that with Andy and Bevin last year-- the preview showed Andy saying something that made it seem like it would be Bevin, but then at the actual RC, there was the "BUT" thrown in there.
Also we had the whole "Bevin is on the winner's side, the sunset shot, the sunset shotttt!!!!" But as we can see, Fleiss likes to rock the boat, so having Jenni on the left facing the sun doesnt really tell us anything, other than that cameraman behind the bushes is going to get a money ring shot

[peachgal]

OK everyone, first time posting this season. I just watched the preview on Jokers' several times and noticed this when he's with Deanna.

They flip back and forth between shots of her and shots of him face on. In some of the images there is definitely sunlight on Deanna's hair (usually when she's facing the camera but you can see it) but when they shoot Brad face on, you can see that there is no sun. Also, the words he speaks are about Deanna saying that marriage is a one-time thing etc. I'm wondering if they did in fact have two different takes with Deanna, one to tell her she's the one but the second one when it's - I don't know - maybe in front of family for the proposal?? Anyway, the lighting obviously changes in that part of the preview with Brad & Deanna. JMO

OK...the "two takes" idea is interesting. Maybe the last minute decision is to bring Deanna's family into the set for a proposal, OR ask her father for her hand in marriage first... idk...

[TNmomof4]

One thing we have to keep in mind is that the FRC is only 1 hour! There is not going to be time for a wedding or anything out of the ordinary happening with families or changed minds. I don't have a favorite but this leads me to believe it is what some have said, simply a love story from beginning to end with Jenni.

[glowgirl]

If I were making a case for Jenni I would point to her confidence in all RC's including the FRC. It's as if she is not the least bit worried. The crying talk the day before didn't seem to be about fear as much as emotion.

Below she appears to know the outcome and is excited to get on with things.



If I were to make a case for Deanna, I would say that Jenni has the sun in her eyes and these professionals don't overlook these things. I would also point to the greetings on the day before. With Deanna he looks joyful, with Jenni almost as if he is hurting.

This doesn't look like a guy is about to break this woman's heart.



This one is a bit sad.


I see a "but" moment in both FRC's and here they are.

Jenni's is less obvious than the bottom shot with Deanna, but both look like bad news moments to me.




I am leaning toward no one getting the ring at the FRC.