Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

[flutterby]

I just wanted to say that it is kinda funny to me how a majority of the Fort seemed be sure it was Deanna at the end of last week and now after going two days without reading this thread it seems the majority are sure it is Jenni. But, it is pretty much the same sc and data that is being brought forth as proof that Jenni is now the "winner". I don't think we will all ever agree who the choosen one is unitl we all see, but even then the ones that don't support the chosen will find ways to still disagree, just like last season. I know so many of us try to stay simi neutral to either girl. But it seems even when we try we still find our favs and find ways to proove they are the choosen one. JMO.

[Capegal]

Brad said his goal was to find someone 'different'. During their fantasy date, Brad toasted Jenni and told her 'you're different in a really special way'.

That's good enough for me!

HAHAHA LOVE IT - makes sense to me LOL

[cantstopwatchin]

I think "different" could apply to both Jenni and DeAnna. He did say that he didn't meet people like them very often.

While that's true, he made a toast TO Jenni, saying that she was different. HUGE difference.

[simplechef]

It just depends on who's posting. If you go to the poll, support is overwhelmingly Deanna on the spoilers section... I haven't seen a general viewing public poll, so we don't know what the general viewer thinks. By the way, jokers site has more support for jenni, but again, it all depends on who's posting at the time.

If Jenni was in winner's spot, I'd be 100% she was the winner, because of the sun angle, but with Deanna on winner's side, I am waffling back and forth, even though Jenni is my favorite. I really hope we get some better screen caps tonight that tell us what's going on...

[Bonbonlover]

I guess this show kinda beggs the question for me...Is there just one special person out there for us to fall in love with, or can we fall in love and be happy with any of a number of people?

I see Brad and Jenni as being The Special One to each other... the one that you never forget, but I think they are at different points in their lives and the timing just isn't right for them

I see Brad and DeAnna as being on track in terms of timing... Although I do not see the spark and passion between them, I do see a comfortableness which would allow them respect each other and love each other in a very secure and tender way...

So what do we do?? go for the firecracker, stars shining kind of love which is so total chemistry OR do we go for the comfort of home that is safe???

[soccermama]

This may have been discussed - I haven't caught up yet - but I heard him say in the interview that there was one very romantic date - and wait til we see it - etc. Never heard him say that it was the helicopter date ? I think people assumed that the helicopter date would be the more romantic between his date and Deanna's roof top date. He could have been referring to another date. I know - you woudl assume that it would not be romantic unless his chosen was on the date with him - but the show is not over yet ...

I always assumed he was talking about Sheena's date is being the most romantic. Bringing a women to pick from 5 beautiful dresses, giving her diamond earrings, having the place where you are eating dinner filled w/balloons, having a small private orchestra play for you. It doesn't get much more romantic than that! I think when Brad was referring to it being the most romantic date he was referring to the actual date itself, not the "romantic feelings" he had for one of the girls.

[Cerese]

When you look at the progression of the kisses from early to late you are exactly right. At first, Brad did put his hands on Jenni's face and seem to really be into her, but the kisses on the ht and fd rounds he was holding back. DeAnna's kisses progressively got more affectionate and loving starting from the 2 on 1 to the fantasy date. They have been getting closer. You also have the gradually building story with them Bloomers is right on this one also) versus them hitting us over the head with physical connection from the start but not developing anything deaper. I am not saying that he and Jenni didn't have a deeper conversation, but the editors chose not to develop it or make them go anywhere and the kisses seem to be slightly cooling off over time. I saw this with Bevin last year and Moana in Travis season. With DeAnna the first thing they developed were that they had a spark when discussing in deep conversations. They were withholding attraction but showing them discuss everything (This is the fun part of any new relationship where you talk to that special somebody all day long about anything and everything.) Then they brought forth their first kiss and built from there. We still have deep conversations thus Brad's VO's and PI's talking about her strength of character. How would he know of her strength of character if they didn't talk about it. Fleiss let us in on a couple of the deep conversations when we saw their discussion about divorce (Brad loosing father figure in his life) and death (DeAnna lost her mother) and about how it shaped who they are in life. Then during Del Mar date they showed us conversation with Brad finding out about her past relationship and her telling him what she learned from it. They didn't develop a storyline of any substance with Jenni, just the strong "physical" connection. This is the pure F2 edit. Trumpet their kissing from the start but not develop growing love story vs somewhat hiding attraction from the start and gradually bringing it to light as it grows through the process (DeAnna getting this edit, classic F1 edit.) I am not even going to go into my analysis of the screencaps which I think point to DeAnna. I love both ladies, I think they both have a lot to offer and would make Brad a good wife. I don't think marriage is in the cards right now for Jenni and I feel like Brad has a deeper connection with DeAnna. Couple that with the editing clues, screencaps and body language and I feel like DeDe is our girl. Sorry for the long post, had to get that off my chest.
BTW: Most of the WTA is fluff, but I will be anxiously watching the last part of it to catch the really in-depth preview they always run at the end. I have never been wrong with who wins going with my gut after seeing that preview. I will explain tomorrow why this is important when I post my reaction to it and who will win based on the preview.

Deanna and Brad have had a lot more conversations than Jenni and Brad but they have been mainly informational conversations. I don't really feel I know Deanna - what does she like to do - I know that she does real estate and that she tends bar. How does she feel about things ?? Why doesn't she react when he can't kiss her at the pool date ? What does she like to do in her spare time ? (Running but that did not come out on the show) She seems to answer questions all in the same way. With Jenni she is excited about her dancing- she has a passion. She laughs, she cries, she gets annoyed. (Bettina - we knew she loved the water, she likes Mariacchi music - we saw a whole range of emotions with her.) I'm trying to see a special person in Deanna - but the way she is portrayed - I am not seeing it.

[soccermama]

I would bet that not only did the girls skinny-dip, but that Hillary said a lot of things that needed to be bleeped out. I read some of what she said and it wasn't for kids to hear!

As far as the skinny-dipping, please, who are we to throw stones??? They were playing a drinking game and that was the bet-- who hasn't done silly things while drinking?? [Boy, I hope I'm not the only one!] It was FUNNY!!!!

I agree. The skinny dipping part was really no big deal to me, and I can imagine that it was no big deal to Brad either.

[SmittenAKFan]

I always assumed he was talking about Sheena's date is being the most romantic. Bringing a women to pick from 5 beautiful dresses, giving her diamond earrings, having the place where you are eating dinner filled w/balloons, having a small private orchestra play for you. It doesn't get much more romantic than that! I think when Brad was referring to it being the most romantic date he was referring to the actual date itself, not the "romantic feelings" he had for one of the girls.

He said in a radio interview (Bobby Bones) that the helicopter date was the most romantic date he had ever been on.

[itsyourmom]

He only said that the helicopter date was ONE OF the most exciting... (helicopter rides are fun I don't blame him).

DeAnna just has to be perfect for Brad :-) The edit is not showing us a perfect woman just a real woman (even her butt is one of a real woman LOL)

LOL. I think Deanna would make a lovely choice as well.