Thread: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by babyfaceC;2681547;
    Wow... was the same show being watched here? I'll tell him Iron Mike. I guess he should have picked someone he wasn't in love with so he wouldn't be called cold and heartless... Most of us have felt the feeling that DD and jenni went through... That's why he didn't lead them on or give them false hope. Would it be a happy ending if the one hour episode tonight finished with a false engagement and then you read on the back page of some magazine that they broke up... If that makes it easier to swallow watch almost all of the previous seasons on DVD
    Jason that is not what i am saying. If Brad was going to be "true to himself' his words right, then he knew long before the FRC that he didnt love either girl right? Well, then he should have had a private word with each girl and told them in private that hey, im sorry, i dont really love you, so they are not totally invested and submarined at the end Jason. He dragged it out of the girls to hear their feelings...why why why, when he already knew he wasnt going to pick EITHER girl?! He DID lead them on Jason, it was very clear not only on the show but in his interviews he gave to the media. I admire what you are trying to do but you cannot say he did right by Jenni and DD, no way no how Jason. Please tell him women should be treated honestly and if he does or doesnt love someone to just tell them, not string them along like he did to both girls. Love is too important to be messed around with and he is a big boy now Jason, he cant go on forever hiding from the truth. He either loves someone that we dont know about, his ex, or he has some serious issues that need to be dealt with. Jenni and DD deserved to know before that final rose if he really cared for them as he claimed to.
    ps. i have seen all the previous seasons thanks, im just sorry this one ever made it on air.
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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by babyfaceC;2681554;
    Please refer to the bolded quote... At that point its up to him to explore the relationship outside of the show (not the viewer)... If he knows in his heart he shouldn't he won't... At what point do we cross the line of what we would do (explore the relationship) with what the actual person does (realize that its not necessary)... what I'm saying is, "isn't it his decision?"

    I totally agree ... if he wasn't feeling it, then why continue with it. He said he was going on TB to find a wife, not to find someone to date. I am sure there are plenty of women he could date, if that's what he wanted to do.

    I absolutely think he did the right thing in telling D & J how he feels, and saying good-bye to them. It couldn't have been easy to say to DeAnna that he couldn't look her in the eyes and tell her he loves her.

    The process itself requires any and all bachelors to lead the majority of the women on until the FRC, and then only one is usually excluded from having been lead on until the end. It's the process of the show, it's something Bettina's parents were concerned about, and rightfully so. Can't blame Brad, or any other bachelor, for having to follow the format of the show.

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by grneyedgirl;2681561;
    I see what you are saying, but wouldn't that just intensify the situation?

    Wouldn't Brad look really bad if he said that he would date someone outside of the show knowing that it wouldn't go anywhere? That, IMO, is a jerk.
    Intensify the situation for the women or for the viewers? Certainly the viewers are used to that. If I were one of the women I'd certainly prefer being able to speak privately--is there a contract clause that says "choose or never see each other again?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedslp;2681559;
    Seems to me that Brad's decision to not pursue even a dating relationship with either of the women, after the show, is a really good example of what his mother said about Brad having a black & white approach to things, rather than dealing in gray areas.

    Having been in a similar position to the F2 as far as being let go from a relationship because the other person's feelings weren't as deep as mine, nor as deep as they needed to be to continue progressing in our relationship, I am sad for both girls that they had to experience the hurt. However, on the flip side, I am glad for them that Brad had the guts to be true to himself. Saved them all a lot of heartache in the long run, I'm sure. He didn't do the best job of sounding sensitive or even all that warm when he let each of them down, but I don't know how easy it would be for most people to do that sort of thing on camera, especially when there were at least some caring feelings involved. It's disappointing that the outcome isn't a fun romantic one, but at least they will all be better off in the long run.

    That is all. : )

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by babyfaceC;2681273;
    This probably isn't the last time i post this but... You can be mad about whatever you want but I swear brad didn't go on this for publicity. No one is more dissapointed then brad that this didn't work out with a life long relationship. In basic terms, he didn't fall in love and he didn't see a need to "act" like he did to keep the "romantics" of the world happy. Its unfortunate, yet understandable, that people would immediately point to free publicity for the bars as his motivation. You will see, with time, that publicity isn't the reason he entered the craziness of the bachelor... once again, no one is more dissapointed than Brad
    hi jason
    i appreciate you coming on here to attempt to put your best spin on this unfortunate nightmare, and try to support your friend/business associate the best way you can, but it hasn't worked for me. and i do take exception to your last statement here. i would think perhaps jenni and deanna, (2 beautiful women that brad got to pour out there hearts and souls to him of their love for him, and then he coldly rejected both on international tv, without so much as a chance for either to try to find love in the real dating world, after their brief dating experience on camera, and he could not wait to escort them to their limos)...well i would think that those 2 beautiful women might consider themselves more disappointed than brad.

    i have no idea what brad's true motivation for doing tb was...but i can not believe that he could describe these 2 beautiful women in the loving way he did, and then not at least want to explore things with one of them further to see where it might go. that i could and would have understood. this is a man who had such supposed genuine intentions for doing the show...and is so honest. for someone with such claims of honesty,and lying was a done deal for him...he seemed to have no problem lying to not only jenni and dede...but the viewing audience ever since. brad seemed to lie easily and very convincingly.

    sadly brad reminds me now so much of my exfiance, who turned out to be an international conman, who got me for my life savings. they just have such similar demeanours, and characteristics. and the lack of regard and respect brad showed jenni and especially deanna in his rejection. the level of coldness, and heartlessness demonstrated to deanna was really the worst. brad had a reason to do tb...but finding a girlfriend/fiance/wife/loving partner was not part of it. i am not trying to say brad is a sociopath or conman...but he does need serious counselling. too bad fleiss sought to hang out jenni and dede to dry. thanks
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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by babyfaceC;2681554;
    Please refer to the bolded quote... At that point its up to him to explore the relationship outside of the show (not the viewer)... If he knows in his heart he shouldn't he won't... At what point do we cross the line of what we would do (explore the relationship) with what the actual person does (realize that its not necessary)... what I'm saying is, "isn't it his decision?"
    Notice the verb tense:

    Originally Posted by Bloomers
    By now, you realize that many people feel like if he did indeed have "intense emotions" for at least one of these women, he might could have tried to explore the relationship on some level outside of the show. He did not have to propose. That is really a foolish move in my opinion anyway.

    I am trying here to explain to you what would have made more sense to the majority of the viewers based on what you are saying and what he was expressing ( how much he "cared").

    Of course it is his decision. That is a given and was never in question.

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Can someone here tell me if I should watch tomorrow's AFTR. Will it be even more painful then tonight was? Or, should I buy a Turkey for Thanksgiving?

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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by babyfaceC;2681554;
    Please refer to the bolded quote... At that point its up to him to explore the relationship outside of the show (not the viewer)... If he knows in his heart he shouldn't he won't... At what point do we cross the line of what we would do (explore the relationship) with what the actual person does (realize that its not necessary)... what I'm saying is, "isn't it his decision?"
    Sure, it's his decision. I just think a lot of viewers think he did not make a good decision, and he did not make it in the best way, either.

    It's his decision, but we're allowed to comment. He put his decision-making skills up to scrutiny when he allowed himself to become The Bachelor.

    Also, and perhaps the blame goes to Fleiss and not Brad himself, but we as an audience were groomed for an entirely different decision from Day One of this season's broadcasting. Brad's words and actions seemed to lead to an entirely different decision, as well. So convincingly, in fact, that it's still hard to believe he did a 180 practically on the drop of a dime -- as it was edited to appear, of course.
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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    So, what I really want to know is if Brad chose no one, who decided what order to send the girls in? Did it matter who went first and who went last? When exactly did Brad make the decision to chose no one? Before the FRC? During the FRC? When was Deanna's dad flown out and why? How do you go from wanting to ask a father to marry his daughter to kicking her to the curb? And, why the heck didn't Deanna slap Brad? (Although I really commiserate with all parties, I really think he deserved it for the things he said to her.) These are the kinds of questions I'm curious about. Unfortunately (for me) they aren't questions that will ever be answered at ATFR. They'll be more concerned with dragging Brad through the mud and wringing as many tears from Jenni and Deanna as they possibly can.
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    Re: Thoughts & Comments in General #4 **Spoilers** - Bachelor 11

    Quote Originally Posted by drooler;2681567;
    Intensify the situation for the women or for the viewers? Certainly the viewers are used to that. If I were one of the women I'd certainly prefer being able to speak privately--is there a contract clause that says "choose or never see each other again?"
    For all parties involved.

    So basically, people would feel better if he made her a promise for the pleasure of the viewing audience, but then dumped her behind the scenes?

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