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Old 11-14-2007, 08:49 AM   #391
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I had my husband, who doesn't watched the show, watch the last clip of the WTA show featuring the two remaining women. After, I then asked him who he thought the final girl was. His said it's obvious they are setting it up for the first girl (meaning Jenni) to be the final one. He said "that guy isn't into the other girl" (meaning DeAnna) because of his body language....he said Brad doesn't lean into her to kiss her, he isn't as affectionate with her. I kind of smiled. To me, the entire sequence of shots with DeAnna seemed very edited to show only the poor interactions between the two of them or to make it seem like there was a poor connection to the average viewer. Would anyone else agree? Lynn what are your thoughts on this?

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Old 11-14-2007, 12:28 PM   #392
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I've been wrong before but having been deaf all my life, the body language tells me it's Jenni. I don't get into depth like Lynn does (who does a remarkable in-depth anlyasis) but I'm more of an intuitive body language reader. It feeds into my gut. I'm pretty good at it but yes I've been wrong before.

He's far more comfortable (natural) with Jenni than Deanna who tends to make him more formal.

So the bottom line will be (it's hard to tell what he wants because of editing and they are showing a really lousy story this time IMHO) "WHAT DOES BRAD WANT?"

I'm sticking with Jenni. It's hard not to love someone who brings laughter to your life. We're not being shown the conversations between them.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:32 PM   #393
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It's hard not to love someone who brings laughter to your life. We're not being shown the conversations between them.
Thanks LemonDrop. Beautiful sentiment and I so agree.

(I still think he chooses DeAnna. But, I would be happy as well if he chose the lovely Jenni. )
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:15 PM   #394
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It's true that when you are telling someone something but you are shaking your head 'no' that you don't necessarily mean what you are saying. Having said that, if you're referring to the FD, I rewatched that scene and I only saw her nodding 'yes' while she was talking to Brad.
i think they were referring to the finale preview. i did want to mention tho that Jenni is also shaking her head in that preview when she answered Brad's mother.(she was saying she would say yes lets do it right now but was shaking her head no) just something i noticed
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i think they were referring to the finale preview. i did want to mention tho that Jenni is also shaking her head in that preview when she answered Brad's mother.(she was saying she would say yes lets do it right now but was shaking her head no) just something i noticed


Yes, that is the time I was talking about. And yes, I also noticed it with Jenni talking to Brad's mother. I was going to post that also. I am not sure either if Jenni is sincere. She has done acting in the past and knows how to work the camera and stuff. At least with Jenni she at least pretends to show emotion if she is acting.


I have noticed this with DeAnna on several occasions, especially in her earlier interactions with Brad. I think a big part of the reason I don't feel DeAnna is honest is because of this. She always sounds like she is reading from a script of classic bachelor moments. Always having the right thing to say. Things that she thinks he wants to hear. Her voice always sounds so emotionless. Then add the blinking and head movements not very convincing to me. I am no body language expert but IMO she is not since and is doing a poor acting job. JMO of course but to me Brad does not look like he fully believes her. I said this after several of their talks. When he says really, or do you really mean that (whatever he says) he sounds to me more of a yeah right than an oh really thats great kind of reaction. But what do I know.
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I have noticed this with DeAnna on several occasions, especially in her earlier interactions with Brad. I think a big part of the reason I don't feel DeAnna is honest is because of this. She always sounds like she is reading from a script of classic bachelor moments. Always having the right thing to say. Things that she thinks he wants to hear. Her voice always sounds so emotionless. Then add the blinking and head movements not very convincing to me. I am no body language expert but IMO she is not since and is doing a poor acting job. JMO of course but to me Brad does not look like he fully believes her. I said this after several of their talks. When he says really, or do you really mean that (whatever he says) he sounds to me more of a yeah right than an oh really thats great kind of reaction. But what do I know.
Yes, yes, yes! I couldn't agree more!
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Yes, that is the time I was talking about. And yes, I also noticed it with Jenni talking to Brad's mother. I was going to post that also. I am not sure either if Jenni is sincere. She has done acting in the past and knows how to work the camera and stuff. At least with Jenni she at least pretends to show emotion if she is acting.


I have noticed this with DeAnna on several occasions, especially in her earlier interactions with Brad. I think a big part of the reason I don't feel DeAnna is honest is because of this. She always sounds like she is reading from a script of classic bachelor moments. Always having the right thing to say. Things that she thinks he wants to hear. Her voice always sounds so emotionless. Then add the blinking and head movements not very convincing to me. I am no body language expert but IMO she is not since and is doing a poor acting job. JMO of course but to me Brad does not look like he fully believes her. I said this after several of their talks. When he says really, or do you really mean that (whatever he says) he sounds to me more of a yeah right than an oh really thats great kind of reaction. But what do I know.
Brad also said do you really mean that to Bettina. For both of them I thought it meant, because that is who he was intrested in and wanted it to be real. Maybe I was wrong, and he did not trust Bettina at all. She is gone. Brad's kiss with DeAnna and his emotions are much more then they ever were with Bettina. I guess I will need to wait until FRC to find out why Brad said do you really mean that to DeAnna.

Maybe DeAnna is doing a poor acting job because she is not acting. She never played games of hard to get. She is telling Brad how she feels, even thought she is not used to doing it this early and that makes her just a bit more vulnerable and nervous.
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Brad also said do you really mean that to Bettina. For both of them I thought it meant, because that is who he was intrested in and wanted it to be real. Maybe I was wrong, and he did not trust Bettina at all. She is gone. Brad's kiss with DeAnna and his emotions are much more then they ever were with Bettina. I guess I will need to wait until FRC to find out why Brad said do you really mean that to DeAnna.

Maybe DeAnna is doing a poor acting job because she is not acting. She never played games of hard to get. She is telling Brad how she feels, even thought she is not used to doing it this early and that makes her just a bit more vulnerable and nervous.
That's exactly what I think. I think he keeps asking do you really mean that to Deanna because she's saying what is truly wanting, needing and hoping to hear and is just asking for reassurance. I don't see it as a sign of disbelief at all. I do exactly the same thing and it drives my husband nuts.
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That's exactly what I think. I think he keeps asking do you really mean that to Deanna because she's saying what is truly wanting, needing and hoping to hear and is just asking for reassurance. I don't see it as a sign of disbelief at all. I do exactly the same thing and it drives my husband nuts.
If you notice too, Brad asked DeAnna's father what his thoughts were about how DeAnna was feeling, and her Dad said he could see the sparkle in her eyes, etc. I think at that point, Brad knew he wanted the chosen one to be DeAnna but wanted to make sure this was real for her too (being she is soo amazing).
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If you notice too, Brad asked DeAnna's father what his thoughts were about how DeAnna was feeling, and her Dad said he could see the sparkle in her eyes, etc. I think at that point, Brad knew he wanted the chosen one to be DeAnna but wanted to make sure this was real for her too (being she is soo amazing).
True and I don't really see what value there would be in her father lying since it would simply open his daughter up to potential further heartache. I also thought her conversation with her sister seemed really genuine to me...again why lie to your sister? If she just wanted to win why say something that would make your sister cry with worry. Honestly I think that DD would literally have to be a sociopath to simply be lying about her feelings for weeks on end because she just wants to win and to be able to physically look so nervous at rose ceremonies. She'd also have to be very cruel to toy with other people's emotions like that, including those of her own family. I don't get that from her at all. Not everyone is a soupy sweet emotional basketcase type. It doesn't really seem like Brad is either.

I just assumed Brad was asking that question because there isn't much else he can say. He's not Andy- spewing his emotions verbally everywhere. On the FD that question to me seems like he finally really gets what she is saying despite her repeated pronouncements over the weeks and her laying everything on the table is what he needed to be sure of her feelings, which I suspect match his own. I have a feeling he was a bit of a skeptic going into this process as well and her reassurance is as much an iteration of his feelings as her own.
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