Body Language & Non Verbal Communication - *Spoilers*

[jelle]

I understand what he meant by saying that it shouldn't be that much work but I think he's living in a fantasy world. Any great, long lasting relationship, takes work. When it came to Bettina it only seemed to become 'that much work' after the HTD and he had been embarrassed and challenged about his being an intellectual or not (though the mothers, especially the step-mother, treated him with disdain). His ego took a huge hit and it seems as though he took it personally and hasn't let that go and has belittled her, publicly, to get back at her family, through her. I don't think that's right. The only way I know how to explain it better is when two people break up, and there are still emotions of love between them, and the guy is hurt, he barks back in ways that will make it impossible to repair the damage but he comes out appearing to be "the man" as Brad has said himself that he likes to appear to be.

I don't see this as body analysis, I see it as editorial comment on what Brad "said" and a personal opinion about his perceived motivations.

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[JoLena]

I think this speaks volumes. Coupled with the non response from Brad when Deanna formally announced that she was 'falling in love'.

It clearly shows Brad leaning into Jenni and not much at all with Deanna. Deanna did the leaning here.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/kraziladi/BACHELOR%2011/BRADLEANSINTOJENNIANDDEANNALEA NSINT.jpg?t=1194716275

I totally disagree, If you look again you'll see Brad pulls DeAnna into him and he has his hands on her.( very telling). With Jenni his arms are down and not into that kiss at all. No body language at all.

Originally Posted by 2observe

I respectfully disagree with there is no raw emotion there with Brad. Also imo, Brad never really answered Bettina's question. Her question was (paraphasing) if my family was so judgmental to you, then why did you give me a rose? His answer (after talking about how difficult it was to convince her family that he had real feeling for her) was that he did it for her. So does this mean that Brad was emotionally invested in Bettina at the HTD, but not so after the FD????

I think he was trying to tell her . Just because your family judged me, I was not going to judge YOU, because of the way I was treated, and that is because I am not LIKE them. So I gave it another chance with YOU to see if WE had something special and we didn't. oh whatever , she is gone and he is in love with someone else..

Originally Posted by Bloomers

And we know how that turns out....

Jen turned out to be the most unpopular person in Bachelor/ette history ( well some people still consider Bob), for her decision with Jerry . I wasn't crazy about it at the time myself, especially since I thought she had just about single-handedly sunk the chances of the entires series; however, in retrospect, I don't know but what I have to give her kudos for the fact that she in essence honestly said, "Hey, there just isn't anything here to try to make a romantic relationship go. I just see him as a friend." We got the AFTR and the FRC together, so she had already turned down JP.
That said to me that this woman couldn't find one man out of 25 with which she thought she could explore a meaningful relationship. However, after Travis I began to think about it, and I realized that truthfully maybe the bach/ette don't find anybody....maybe it really doesn't happen, and just because there are 25 possibilities, there is no guarantee that emotional connection is really made regardless of what the bachelor/ette is forced to say or do by contractual obligations.

I would say you are correct in saying this. But I do think we have a match this time. I do thik Brad is still together with his chosen one . On the Bobby Bones interview just last week,he said his chosen was coming to Austin and he couldn't wait. So obviously a connection has been made and they are going to take it into the real world.. I think he is engaged..

Originally Posted by jewelring

I have a question for someone who reads lips. This may have already been adressed, but on Brad and DeAnna's FD after DeAnna tells him she is falling in love with him, he pulls her close and than kisses her. During that kiss he says something to her and then she smiles. I think he says " I do to" by the way his mouth and cheeks move. I have tried to figure out what he said and that is all I came up with. Anybody's help would be appreciated.

I noticed that too and I am also dieing to know what he said to her. I hope somone can figure it out. I don't know how because we can't see his lips. BUt mabye the jaw movement has something to do with lip reading as well. who knows.

Originally Posted by cynicgal

Good Job Kraziladi !!

Brads arm doesn't move either so his "pulling" Deanna in is not true jus what some want to see.

Yes it is. If you watch his arm movement while he is smiling, he is pulling her arm towards him , just like he did when they were sitting on the bench in the garden before the rose ceremoney . He is pulling her towards him and since it's not the first time he did that with her, I think they have this little thing going on ,and she knows he wants her to come to him.

[jelle]

Originally Posted by Bloomers
And we know how that turns out....

Jen turned out to be the most unpopular person in Bachelor/ette history ( well some people still consider Bob), for her decision with Jerry . I wasn't crazy about it at the time myself, especially since I thought she had just about single-handedly sunk the chances of the entires series; however, in retrospect, I don't know but what I have to give her kudos for the fact that she in essence honestly said, "Hey, there just isn't anything here to try to make a romantic relationship go. I just see him as a friend." We got the AFTR and the FRC together, so she had already turned down JP.
That said to me that this woman couldn't find one man out of 25 with which she thought she could explore a meaningful relationship. However, after Travis I began to think about it, and I realized that truthfully maybe the bach/ette don't find anybody....maybe it really doesn't happen, and just because there are 25 possibilities, there is no guarantee that emotional connection is really made regardless of what the bachelor/ette is forced to say or do by contractual obligations.

IMO Jen was not villified because she turned down both men or all the men. She was villified because she was mean and sarcastic and belittling of the men and their families on the show. She acted like a spoiled princess and, again IMO, Jerry and Chris called her on it. There was some REAL non-verbal communication going on at that ATFR!

Had she been gracious or considerate throughout, she would not have recieved the reception that continues to this day. Jen, in Hillary's words, was "not nice, not nice at all!"

Travis, Lorenzo, Blob, and Jesse basically made no real choices either, and while some were unhappy, they were certainly not villified because if it, and none was disliked like Jen Scheft

[Mike'sgirl]

Agree with you Jelle - completely! Well said!

[echo226]

I think this speaks volumes. Coupled with the non response from Brad when Deanna formally announced that she was 'falling in love'.

It clearly shows Brad leaning into Jenni and not much at all with Deanna. Deanna did the leaning here.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/kraziladi/BACHELOR%2011/BRADLEANSINTOJENNIANDDEANNALEA NSINT.jpg?t=1194716275

Although he keeps his paws to himself with both, Brad actually has his arms crossed with Deanna. Interesting.

[echo226]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

Absolutely. For all we know, he flipped a coin. Each had a 50/50 chance. I think he felt Sheena was younger and more vulnerable and maybe that's why he took Bettina.

Bettina's family pretty much illustrated that the felt Brad wasn't good enough for their daughter. So maybe, just maybe it was a defensive payback for being called a disappointment. On the WTA clip, it's clear that he is ( angrily) on the defensive too. In essence, Brad got the last "word".

Originally Posted by soccermama

LOL!!! Yes, he is in love w/one of these lovely ladies!

And at least he's not like Lt. Andy and in love with himself !

[appiah01]

Originally Posted by echo226

Although he keeps his paws to himself with both, Brad actually has his arms crossed with Deanna. Interesting.

Actually his arms aren't crossed. The pictures make it hard to see but his left arm is actually holding her hand (when you watch it you can see his left hand pull her towards him and then it looks as if he puts her hand on his knee right before he puts both hands on her face. Incidentally Brad is a "face toucher" but this is the first time we have seen him use the 2 hand face touch.) His right arm is touching the crook of her elbow.

If you watch the whole dinner he is actually leaning on the table towards her just about the whole time. Deanna is also leaning in. People mentioned she is sitting back but her arms are much too short to be able to have her hands on the edge of the seat like she does if she was sitting back. At his dinner with Jenni for the most pat they are both sitting back in their chairs nd his arms are crossed much of the time. My guess is that while Brad communicates affection through touch his preference is the communication of affection through words. He gives Jenni the toast to help her open up, which is a big deal for him as he says because he is not a huge verbal communicator, and her lukewarm reciprocation (I have strong feelings for you. The end) takes him aback a bit. It seems to me that he would have expected the verbal outpouring delivered by Deanna from Jenni and that is why he is at a loss by Deanna being the one to deliver it. My read is that Deanna and Brad have very similar emotional demeanors (stoics, less emotional at least in a verbal way) and thus he is very appreciative of her going against her normal type for him.

[dreamitup]

Isn't it true that we all see what we want to see? We all want our favorite to win to the exclusion of real evidence. It will all come out in the wash.

I was noticing how excited Brad was to go on a date with a bunch of bikini clad women. He said it was going to be a "doozie", rubbing his hands together. Now, where have you seen that before??

Originally Posted by appiah01

Actually his arms aren't crossed. The pictures make it hard to see but his left arm is actually holding her hand (when you watch it you can see his left hand pull her towards him and then it looks as if he puts her hand on his knee right before he puts both hands on her face.

Wow..he could have pulled her right off that chair cause he hardly moved.

Originally Posted by Estella

Not bad... but I don't doubt that Brad is leaning into Jenni in that situation anyways... he just doesn't seem into her on the bed... and I think pulling a girl into you kind of equals leaning into her... Can we agree on that?

Can we agree on this?? Brad and Jenni were directed to jump into bed. How many splices and dices were in that scene. Then you told to jump out of bed and close the door. How into someone should you get before you have to do that. He was probably biting the inside of his lip to keep his composure. NO!!

[Estella]

Originally Posted by dreamitup

Can we agree on this?? Brad and Jenni were directed to jump into bed. How many splices and dices were in that scene. Then you told to jump out of bed and close the door. How into someone should you get before you have to do that. He was probably biting the inside of his lip to keep his composure. NO!!

I guess we have to disagree here. I do not expect Brad to be all over Jenni with a bunch of cameras filming them. But if he is SO into her, I wouldn't expect him to lie flat on his back and hardly touching Jenni either. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he is into her, but to me it seems like he is a lot less concious of the cameras with DeAnna, and to me that's a good sign. With DeAnna I get the impression that he gets lost in the moment with her, he completely forgets where he is (a lot of people said that when watching the kiss over dinner, they felt like they were witnessing something too private) and to me that shows how much he is into DeAnna. If the only reason he doesn't even turn towards Jenni on the bed (I mean his body, not only his face) and hardly touches her is that the cameras haven't left there, then it would concern me that he is thinking more about the camera than about Jenni. I just think his initial attratcion cooled off a bit, but I'll eat my words and apologize if we see her getting the final rose eight days from now...

[dreamitup]

Originally Posted by Estella

I guess we have to disagree here. I do not expect Brad to be all over Jenni with a bunch of cameras filming them. But if he is SO into her, I wouldn't expect him to lie flat on his back and hardly touching Jenni either. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he is into her, but to me it seems like he is a lot less concious of the cameras with DeAnna, and to me that's a good sign. With DeAnna I get the impression that he gets lost in the moment with her, he completely forgets where he is (a lot of people said that when watching the kiss over dinner, they felt like they were witnessing something too private) and to me that shows how much he is into DeAnna. If the only reason he doesn't even turn towards Jenni on the bed (I mean his body, not only his face) and hardly touches her is that the cameras haven't left there, then it would concern me that he is thinking more about the camera than about Jenni. I just think his initial attratcion cooled off a bit, but I'll eat my words and apologize if we see her getting the final rose eight days from now...

Seriously there is no need to apologize. We're all just here speculating and having a little fun doing it. To me replying to these threads is having someone to talk with about, who, what, where, when, why.