Body Language & Non Verbal Communication - *Spoilers*

[nutty1]

Originally Posted by ckbmom

I agee. I also want to add that I see that he has something with both girls. I personally just see ... more ... with DeAnna.

Yes. Though last year, I knew it was Tessa (the way he looked at her.....sigh), it was obvious he had true feeling for Bevin also.

I think he really sees something special in each girl.

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[sueb1961]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

Nope. It just means that he had no choice but to take three women to Cabo. He couldnt get away with taking only two. Fleiss wouldnt allow for that. He was done with Bettina in D.C.

Well, if that was the case he could have taken Sheena.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

Nope. It just means that he had no choice but to take three women to Cabo. He couldnt get away with taking only two. Fleiss wouldnt allow for that. He was done with Bettina in D.C.

This is imo absolutely true, but notice he didn't tell her that. He told her that he "was there for her" which sounds like an all together different thing. Brad was truly on the hotspot there. He could not say, "Look, you are somebody that under different circumstances I think I might could try to develop a relationship with. However, under the constraints of this situation there was no way that I could; however, I could only let one person go and I needed to let Sheena go first. Therefore, I had to give you a rose and take you to Cabo for the Fantasy Date where I would romance you and then cut you." That would have been too brutally honest and unecessarily hurtful.
How does "He was there for her" explain why he gave her that rose when he knew after the HT visit it wasn't going to work? He knew it. Now I was never in the Bettina camp, but in the preview they showed a picture where they were kissing in the hottub, and they were wrapped all over each other in a way that I haven't seen either of the other couples!!! Brad enjoyed himself with Bettina, but he knew he wasn't having her family as in-laws when he left after that visiit.

BTW, I pretty well said as soon as I heard the remark about the date sucked that Bettina was not F1 since that was an EDITED slam at the Bachelor himself. However, I do believe that we should be objective even about what the Bachelor says and does, and it sounds like he did try to dance around why he gave Bettina that rose at the F4 ceremony even though it was a very awkward situation. It was a no win situation for Brad, and it wasn't good for Bettina either.

Back to trying to be objective and telling it as it appears to me through the edit........

[K9Mom]

I think this speaks volumes. Coupled with the non response from Brad when Deanna formally announced that she was 'falling in love'.

It clearly shows Brad leaning into Jenni and not much at all with Deanna. Deanna did the leaning here.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/kraziladi/BACHELOR%2011/BRADLEANSINTOJENNIANDDEANNALEA NSINT.jpg?t=1194716275

Wow, you are REALLY missing some good stuff then! Brad has DeAnna's hand in his and he does something - squeezes it or something - then tugs on her hand to pull HER into HIM. You can also hear DeAnna let out a little moan when it happens.

[RealityCreator]

Sure he could have taken Sheena, but then Sheena fans would be upset at how he led such a sweet girl on, and then dumped her after the FD, which had seemed to all Sheena fans as having been so romantic, etc. (see Andy and Danielle from last season ).

At this point - Brad can't win with half the people watching the show no matter who he chooses. I think he didn't want to choose either Sheena, nor Bettina after the HTD because he'd already made his decision regarding both of them. But, as pajamasam said, he has to take 3 women on the Fantasy Dates. Someone is going to be "led on" in this situation, someone is going to be hurt. Period It's the nature of the show. Sheena didn't deserve to be led on any more than Bettina did by being invited on the Fantasy Dates. It's quite possible that he knew after the HTD that he just couldn't pick Bettina in the end, but that he felt he knew her better than he knew Sheena, so might as well take her. He also might have flipped a coin, or been told by the producers who to pick, or...

Regardless of why he chose her to go on the FD, his body language with Bettina on the FD was so clear to me that he just wasn't into her anymore, though I do believe she was a front runner at one time in the process.

As far as body language analysis with regard to who's leaning into whom, I also believe that he has real feelings for both women, and that he's genuinely torn this time. This is actually one of the toughest seasons to determine who the Bach is going to pick in the end. I'm leaning toward DeAnna (hee hee), but I wouldn't be surprised if Brad leaned toward Jenni in the end. At the dinner with DeAnna, I saw heat and passion, and at the dinner with Jenni, I saw silliness, and giggly fun, but not much passion. Attraction? yes. Passion, no. If it was there, I didn't see it.

It could also end up that, like PLo and Travis, Brad is really more attracted to one, but chooses the other instead. This show can make people be fickle like that.

[K9Mom]

I have a question regarding the sun setting...and I'm no meterologist so I need some help here.

The sun sets directly center off of my back porch in the early summer (west/northwest direction). In the late summer and early fall the sun has moved at least 20 degrees to the west.

My question is this...based on the FRC location, would the sun have moved (from viewing the Point Dume shot) moved towards the ocean or towards the mountains inland?

Another thought....the best sunset sky colors happen AFTER the sun has actually set...this is when the sky lights up with various hues of pink, purple and orange. Taking photos/video on the ground after the sun has set would be quite dark and I imagine artificial light would be needed to properly illuminate the subjects being filmed....yet the artificial light would not interfere with the background colors of the sky after the sun has set. Discuss!

[Cailg]

Originally Posted by Arielflies

The seating arrangements also make for a lean/no-lean. On the bench, even though there is a pillow separating them, they are side by side and closer together. At dinner the chairs make distance more the thing, and I do see DeAnna more doubled over and intense, but I also see Brad reaching for her. Either way, at this point Brad went into the FD with an open mind, and I think he is reacting to words and gestures from both of them. All scenes with both girls show a growing intimacy. I don't think it is a slam dunk emotionally for Brad until the last chance dates, and maybe not even then.

Arielflies, I agree with you, and even those last chance dates can be confusing. Wasn't Bevin's last chance date when Andy said he was frickin in love? I think how Brad's family views the F1 and F2 will be pivotal. I still think Grandpa's comments to Andy were important last year.

Lastly, when I re-watch that kiss that Brad gave DeAnna in that dinner in the last episode, I can't help but think she is going to be the chosen one. That kiss and the look in his eyes were so powerful. However, thetalk about there possibly being a surprise ending taken together with the decrease in interviews this year, makes me wonder if we will have our happy ending.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by RealityCreator

It could also end up that, like PLo and Travis, Brad is really more attracted to one, but chooses the other instead. This show can make people be fickle like that.

And we know how that turns out....

Jen turned out to be the most unpopular person in Bachelor/ette history ( well some people still consider Bob), for her decision with Jerry . I wasn't crazy about it at the time myself, especially since I thought she had just about single-handedly sunk the chances of the entires series; however, in retrospect, I don't know but what I have to give her kudos for the fact that she in essence honestly said, "Hey, there just isn't anything here to try to make a romantic relationship go. I just see him as a friend." We got the AFTR and the FRC together, so she had already turned down JP.
That said to me that this woman couldn't find one man out of 25 with which she thought she could explore a meaningful relationship. However, after Travis I began to think about it, and I realized that truthfully maybe the bach/ette don't find anybody....maybe it really doesn't happen, and just because there are 25 possibilities, there is no guarantee that emotional connection is really made regardless of what the bachelor/ette is forced to say or do by contractual obligations.

[pajamasam]

Well, if that was the case he could have taken Sheena.

Absolutely. For all we know, he flipped a coin. Each had a 50/50 chance. I think he felt Sheena was younger and more vulnerable and maybe that's why he took Bettina.

[K9Mom]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

Absolutely. For all we know, he flipped a coin. Each had a 50/50 chance. I think he felt Sheena was younger and more vulnerable and maybe that's why he took Bettina.

That is the exact same reason I came up with too.