Body Language & Non Verbal Communication - *Spoilers*

[dixiechick80]

[quote=grneyedgirl;2659078;]

Originally Posted by dixiechick80

I thought Bettina asked him why he DID give her a rose.

Pretty good, answer, IMO.

Yes, that is what Bettina asked him. I was responding to Jelle's post:
[quote;Jelle:
I don't think there are any raw emotions concerning any attachment to Bettina - perhaps lingering anger at the way he was judged by people who did not even try to know him. And perhaps with Bettina's supposed cluelessness about the situation.

He explained why he gave her a rose - because of her
He explained why he did not give her a rose - because of her

I think Bettina's comments at the WTA show she still had no clue about who Brad was - except that he was The Bachelor Quote]
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It's interesting to me that we all see what we want to see. I personally don't have a problem with the content of how Brad answered Bettina although I think he did contradict himself by saying he was going to take the "high road" but then went on to say that he felt judged, etc. With what I have a problem is the pointing of his finger at Bettina. I don't think that was necessary and definitely think it suggests some residual intense emotion.

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[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by seeker

Brad has had more of a fantasy TV life with Jenni and DeAhna during the show. Surprisingly the one person he said he needed to open up to him was taking her time. Instead he ends up showing different sides to his personality to Bettina. He was compassionate, kind, patient and then BAM! after HT date he got confrontational, angry, frustrated and distant with her. He saw the way she handled the HT date and yet gave her a rose. His ego was hurt and he still felt something for Bettina but he was angry at her folks and punished her for it. That clip of preview for WTA is a good example of it.

How will Jenni or DeAhna handle the REAL world REAL emotions from him? He has had the rosy fantasy life with both of them so far. He said he had spent not more than 30 min with each of these women each epi. So that would mean he had spent 3 hours with each of them until FD. How could these women know him enough in 4 days to decide that they would match well? It's not like they are committed and will work through whatever the future holds. If that were the case they wouldn't have to be on this show looking for a better or bitter half.

Not that I am debating the jist of what you are saying, but I now have had 2 sources from different seasons tell me that the hometown dates of the Bachelorettes that they know lasted up to 15 hours. It was fairly common knowledge that Moana and some of the producers were close friends; I don't know if that was the reason or not, but I was told quite plainly that she and Travis were given a lot of off camera time on the hometown visit. I can not speak as to whether the other couple were given any off camera time on their 15 hour hometown visit.
This is my speculation, and my speculation only, but knowing some of the things that have leaked out over the seasons, I wouldn't put it past the producers to give the couple that they think are potentially F1 ( or the Bachelor anticipates as F1) extra off camera time to help the relationship along.

[Cerese]

Originally Posted by seeker

Brad has had more of a fantasy TV life with Jenni and DeAhna during the show. Surprisingly the one person he said he needed to open up to him was taking her time. Instead he ends up showing different sides to his personality to Bettina. He was compassionate, kind, patient and then BAM! after HT date he got confrontational, angry, frustrated and distant with her. He saw the way she handled the HT date and yet gave her a rose. His ego was hurt and he still felt something for Bettina but he was angry at her folks and punished her for it. That clip of preview for WTA is a good example of it.

How will Jenni or DeAhna handle the REAL world REAL emotions from him? He has had the rosy fantasy life with both of them so far. He said he had spent not more than 30 min with each of these women each epi. So that would mean he had spent 3 hours with each of them until FD. How could these women know him enough in 4 days to decide that they would match well? It's not like they are committed and will work through whatever the future holds. If that were the case they wouldn't have to be on this show looking for a better or bitter half.

Good points - I think Bettina is sure seeing everything and he has seen a range of emotions form her too - and watching the show and seeing all of her comments to the camera. There has got to be a reason for Fleiss to have left those in there. Do Deanna or Jenni really know Brad ? I was surprised at this reaction on the WTA show - it would seem he would need someone who was patient and let him work his way through the issues. Do either of the remaining girls have that ? I don't know...

[intheblind]

[quote=dixiechick80;2659084;]

Originally Posted by grneyedgirl

Yes, that is what Bettina asked him. I was responding to Jelle's post:
[quote;Jelle:
I don't think there are any raw emotions concerning any attachment to Bettina - perhaps lingering anger at the way he was judged by people who did not even try to know him. And perhaps with Bettina's supposed cluelessness about the situation.

He explained why he gave her a rose - because of her
He explained why he did not give her a rose - because of her

I think Bettina's comments at the WTA show she still had no clue about who Brad was - except that he was The Bachelor Quote]
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It's interesting to me that we all see what we want to see. I personally don't have a problem with the content of how Brad answered Bettina although I think he did contradict himself by saying he was going to take the "high road" but then went on to say that he felt judged, etc. With what I have a problem is the pointing of his finger at Bettina. I don't think that was necessary and definitely think it suggests some residual intense emotion.

I agree Dixie lots of residual emotion here. Actually I think both still feel that.
Intereesting if you think about it. WE had teh WTA taping & from that point on Brad has been making his off comments. Sounds liek at one point at WTA he said about how well he thought of her family & teh the next week trashes them & Bettina on Bobby. NOt so nice. yeah he is still feeling something whatever something is. If he actually asked bettina if he could call her & she declined that too was after the WTA so it all fits.
It doesn't seem like Brad has been saying much the last week & that is a good thing.

Just a quick note much better day today for my family so were hanging in there. Thanks for your support.
I only have time to read PM's & posts & not much else so don't have a real feel at the moment. I need to see WTA for sure.
Have some fun.

[K9Mom]

[quote=dixiechick80;2659084;]

Originally Posted by grneyedgirl

Yes, that is what Bettina asked him. I was responding to Jelle's post:
[quote;Jelle:
I don't think there are any raw emotions concerning any attachment to Bettina - perhaps lingering anger at the way he was judged by people who did not even try to know him. And perhaps with Bettina's supposed cluelessness about the situation.

He explained why he gave her a rose - because of her
He explained why he did not give her a rose - because of her

I think Bettina's comments at the WTA show she still had no clue about who Brad was - except that he was The Bachelor Quote]
____
It's interesting to me that we all see what we want to see. I personally don't have a problem with the content of how Brad answered Bettina although I think he did contradict himself by saying he was going to take the "high road" but then went on to say that he felt judged, etc. With what I have a problem is the pointing of his finger at Bettina. I don't think that was necessary and definitely think it suggests some residual intense emotion.

Ya'll need to remember that Brad has now seen the TV shows. He has seen Bettina tell the girls that her date was "boring and sucked". He also saw Bettina call Jenni a "slut and a liar" and saw Bettina drop the F-bomb in her limo ride home. If he has any ill feelings towards Bettina, IMO they are well deserved.

[JoLena]

Originally Posted by jelle

I don't think there are any raw emotions concerning any attachment to Bettina - perhaps lingering anger at the way he was judged by people who did not even try to know him. And perhaps with Bettina's supposed cluelessness about the situation.

He explained why he gave her a rose - because of her
He explained why he did not give her a rose - because of her

I think Bettina's comments at the WTA show she still had no clue about who Brad was - except that he was The Bachelor

I totally agreee.. I think he pretty much sets her straight at the WTA ( at least from what I'm seeing in the previews. )

[simplechef]

Okay... so just to clear things up, the thing about 30 minutes with the girls was those he had NOT had one/one dates with. Any one/one usually last many hours -4-8 hours depending on what they do... That's a pretty long time. On the home town dates, the only one I don't think he had a lot of ALONE time with was Deanna.. It may have been planned for them to have time together, but they didn't because it looks like he really spent a LONG time with her family. This says a lot because it's the only family he spent the whole day with. We definitely see that he had alone time with JEnni and Bettina.

So their DAY together is often 12 hours or more. Then the fantasy dates... So I think you could make an arguement that both Deanna and Jenni have spent 30 hours + with this guy by this time... While that's not a LOT, it's enough time to fall in love, for sure.

[dixiechick80]

[quote=K9Mom;2659101;]

Originally Posted by dixiechick80

Ya'll need to remember that Brad has now seen the TV shows. He has seen Bettina tell the girls that her date was "boring and sucked". He also saw Bettina call Jenni a "slut and a liar" and saw Bettina drop the F-bomb in her limo ride home. If he has any ill feelings towards Bettina, IMO they are well deserved.

Yes, he has also seen Bettina challenge Jenni about her comment that she (Jenni) wanted Deanna to go home (instead of Jade) since she was competition and Bettina adding that she would want Brad to choose the one to make him happy. And he also has heard Bettina describe him as very warm and compassionate.

[MomLady]

Why is this WTA stuff in the Body Language thread, maybe it should be in the general thoughts thread.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by MomLady

Why is this WTA stuff in the Body Language thread, maybe it should be in the general thoughts thread.

Because there's some serious body language going on???