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Old 11-08-2007, 03:54 PM   #141
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Oh, OK. Sorry. Hope I didn't offend. I honestly haven't kept track of who is or isn't hard of hearing here.
Don't worry about it, no offense taken, at all. Besides, it is kinda hard to tell through a computer ANYTHING about each other.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:00 PM   #142
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Rewatch it with no sound.

I just did for the first time.

Either Brad is totally, totally 100 percent into Deanna or he's putting vast amounts of effort into convincing himself that he is. The kiss at the dinner table? Holy mackeral, Dear God please let me be kissed LIKE THAT sometime soon! I mean, *my* knees went weak watching that kiss.

Fleiss could certainly have edited out more passionate moments with Jenni during the Cabo dates, but he definitely could not have manufactured what we saw between Deanna and Brad.
That whole dinner was totally WOW, my gut ached watching the deep emotions from the two of them.

Fleiss could certainly have edited out more passionate moments with Jenni during the Cabo dates, but he definitely could not have manufactured what we saw between Deanna and Brad.

Other then lots of editng done during the meal (like every few words ) there were to places that to me were altered.

When DeAnna said she was nervous, there was a small section she started talking faster, to me I felt like the film was spead up to make it look more noticiable how nervous she was. Why?

During one of the passionate kisses, Brad is kissing her the speed looks normal then all of a sudden the movements seem to slow down. I think there the film was slowed down to make the kiss look more passionate. Why?
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Speaking of eyes! Does anyone else notice, as blue as Brad's eyes are they are certainly in full dialation with Deanna turning totally black, like he's really taking herall in through one of his senses. That hightens all the other senses right? MHO.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:16 PM   #144
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Speaking of eyes! Does anyone else notice, as blue as Brad's eyes are they are certainly in full dialation with Deanna turning totally black, like he's really taking herall in through one of his senses. That hightens all the other senses right? MHO.
Was he given drops for his. Seriously, I notice that. He has it big time for DeAnna.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:18 PM   #145
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That whole dinner was totally WOW, my gut ached watching the deep emotions from the two of them.

Fleiss could certainly have edited out more passionate moments with Jenni during the Cabo dates, but he definitely could not have manufactured what we saw between Deanna and Brad.

Other then lots of editng done during the meal (like every few words ) there were to places that to me were altered.

When DeAnna said she was nervous, there was a small section she started talking faster, to me I felt like the film was spead up to make it look more noticiable how nervous she was. Why?

During one of the passionate kisses, Brad is kissing her the speed looks normal then all of a sudden the movements seem to slow down. I think there the film was slowed down to make the kiss look more passionate. Why?
I am still trying to figure out why her hair is down at first and then in the middle of the dinner it is up....very weird...
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:26 PM   #146
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Body language during the Fantasy Date, why I think DeAnna is Brad's chosen one.

During supper his body is slightly turned toward DeAnna.

I found that Brad often mimicked DeAnna, if she bent toward him he did that, if she sat back he did that.

Brad was very moved by DeAnna's talk.

Dilated eyes.

I found Brad often lowered his voice when speaking with DeAnna. He kept asking how she felt about going to the room, in a soft and gentle voice.

During the meal, Brad kept touching DeAnna, stroked her arm, held her hand, towards his face.

The whole meal was so emotional.

I found at the room, Brad was very very gentle and almost at a slower pace tryed to show DeAnna how he loved her without words. Very gentle kiss. No heavy kissing. Passion.
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I am still trying to figure out why her hair is down at first and then in the middle of the dinner it is up....very weird...

Because they chopped her speaking to him. Fleiss is good at that.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:31 PM   #148
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Arggh...darn computer. This is the third time I've tried to respond. The first time my power died and I lost everything that I had typed. The second time I lost my internet connection and couldn't get my typed reply back. So, here goes nothing.

I didn't see him as being angry at all during the date. He seemed perplexed that she wouldn't answer his question because that just didn't seem like her.

In the FD suite, his hand is on his forehead read as disinterested. The hand on the top of his head read as distancing. When I put the whole scene together she is pushing and he is pulling away. He's laying there on the bed with his hand on his stomach while she is kissing him. He isn't even touching her. I wouldn't be to happy for this kind of lack of response. He does touch her face but it is not done in an emotionally invested or intimate way; it comes across like he's going through the motions even though I don't think he really is. It's more friendly even though, traditionally, a kiss is not friendly, but I don't know how else to explain it. He goes to close the door and kind of puffs out a breath and his facial expression read to me as, "just get through the night." So, going through the motions.

It's too bad that we don't have another FD suite to compare it to because then I could point out specifics. The three dinners, though, were very telling. Brad showed the most tender and loving interaction with DeAnna and while most viewers might, primarily, only see the physical side there is a silent language going on between them that is beyond physical.
I actually said that it seemed like they were having a whole conversation with their eyes. There are points where they are not saying anything but they are looking so intently at each other (i.e. right after she says she doesn't meet people like him much) that they are conveying something. His pupils are huge, which is generally a sign of sexual attraction. She is a rapid blinker normally but her eyelids are really fluttering and her cheeks are really flushed, which both can be nonverbal cues of affection/attraction. They are also mirroring both each other's physical posture (lean in on the table) as well as other's speech patterns.

I thought it was funny/interesting that when he asked her what she thought about going to the Fantasy Suite, his mood was light and he was smiling. I think that changed once Deanna responded. She was much more intense and the look in her eye was much more of a "grrrr (I want you)" type of look and response. His whole demeanor changed. First of all he looks much more intense, serious and like he really wants to get out of there. Also I am not sure why, but it was like he was ticking- his shoulder hunched (not sure if that is the right descriptor) a couple of times and he never broke eye contact with her.

Yeah, there was a whole world of non verbal communication occuring between them.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:34 PM   #149
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I am still trying to figure out why her hair is down at first and then in the middle of the dinner it is up....very weird...
I think they just cut out a lot of filler. If you notice when her hair is down there isn't any food on the table and then when they get to the intense part of the discussion her hair is up and their dinner has arrived. They probably bantered back and forth, ordered, did lots of things and the producers just put in the parts most relevant to the advancement of the story.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:38 PM   #150
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Just an interesting note.. Brad and Deanna ate mexican... Brad and Jenni have lobster... Brad and Jenni have sunflowers & candles all around their table and Deanna has little skeletons.

Interesting.

Hey... Blondie did you close the screencap analysis thread? I had a comment about those nails!

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