The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS - Page 15

1stTimeFan · 10-23-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NYGal

Based on what we've seen of Brad so far, he comes across as sensitive and caring. I think the reason he is hanging his head is because he is about to break someone's heart and it is killing him. He doesn't strike me as the type who would tell a woman, "there is someone I like more than you". Ouch!

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I believe Brad is sensitive and caring also and the reason he is hanging his head with the ring is because he did not find the one he knows for sure he wants to marry and is not allowing himself to be pressured by producers to make a proposal!

In numerous interviews ie: Bobby Bones show and others Brad does not indicate he speaks to the chosen one a couple of times a week, he simply indicates there are ways to commute (a directive from Producers)

Listen carefully again to the Bobby Bones show interview after episode #4
he makes a very subtle statement, eluding to if there is a chosen one!

Brad is an intelligent man, he prepared for the show by watching all 10 prior seasons (tapes he requested)

Meeting 25 women and expecting to find a life partner in a rapid filming schedule of 6 weeks is tough for any person, and not realistic. (he knows the stats of the prior shows, and intellegent enough to not subject himself to a possible failed proposal decision.

As ABC Promotes 'You have to watch it from the beginning because you won't BELIEVE how it ends."

Brad is not convinced he found a life partner, and is strong enough to declare his decision ( he has stated "I am happy with my decision")

I believe Brad is an honest, sincere guy and may believe one or more of the ladies "may" be what he wants.... but needs more time and did not allow the producers to pressure him into making a proposal on National Televison.

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cape · 10-23-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bachlorfan

What do you mean Bob's newest EX? Bob and Rebecca aren't together anymore? I must have missed that announcement.. where did you read this?

so did Bob and Rebecca - they have been in the DWTS audience twice together...the latest being last night....

TNmomof4 · 10-25-2007, 09:13 AM

To me the big question now is what is the ending? Obviously this crazy editing has to do with the finale. "You have to watch from the beginning because you won't believe how it ends". One thing that comes to mind is that we definitely have to watch each episode because there is no pattern! Is that part of what Fleiss is doing? Has he monitered the message boards enough to totally mess up every pattern sluethers have ever used to determine the F1? Is he playing games because there wasn't a love match? Or is playing games because there wasn't any real drama to carry the show from beginning to end? Maybe the love connection didn't really start until the last episodes so he just played around with the sluethers during these beginning episodes.
I've read that there is going to be an ATFR show. Is this a fact or rumor? How does this play into "you won't believe how it ends?" Do we get a non ending and the explaination is at the ATFR? I still think the ending is that Brad's proposal is refused on some level. One thing I have say is as upset as I am at the way they have edited this show, and as much as I want say "forget it, I'm not watching anymore" Fleiss does have me hooked and I want to see it through to the end.

glowgirl · 10-25-2007, 09:25 AM

I have wondered if message boards really play a role in this show. I know that he wants to keep the ending a secret, but I would think the editing takes place long before the posts here are made about the show.

I do think he takes to heart the fact there are people out there looking for clues to solve the mystery and works hard to keep those clues to a minimum. I am sure that during B1 it would have been simple to figure out the ending: no one was watching stills of sc's then.

TNmomof4 · 10-25-2007, 10:19 AM

Well here's my theory on the ending and why the crazy edit of Bettina. I can't believe I'm still thinking about this!?!
Bettina is the final 1 and Brad is ready to propose. Bettina has been caught up in the whole romance and process of the show but on the day of the frc she comes down to earth and realizes she cannot accept a proposal. She is just not ready to take that step both emotionally and intimately. The producers are horrified. They do everything to try to convince her to accept. They even say, "just accept, it doesn't have to be real, everyone breaks up". But she refuses to compromise. She gets to the frc late, that is where we get the picture of Brad sitting looking at the ring. In a last ditch effort they decide to encourage Brad to propose anyway thinking there is no way she would refuse him on national tv. They get busted and she refuses. Maybe she even refuses to show up, who knows? Anyway Brad and Bettina decide that they do want to try a relationship once the craziness of the show is over. They believe they have the beginning of something that they want to explore in the real world apart from abc and the cameras. Neither one of them is a person who "needs" to be a relationship so a few months of singleness is not going bother either one. Brad has his work, which has kept him company for many years. Bettina has indicated that dating is not something she has really been doing so there's no problem with this. They are both level headed enough to know if, what they think has started on this show is real ,it will survive until the show is over and they can do it their way. If it doesn't survive the separation then it wasn't real to begin with anyway, so they are willing to risk and take the chance.
The aftr show will now happen because they are continuing and have made decisions about their future, or else it is happening because Brad has insisted in order to clear up the terrible edit.

NYGal · 10-25-2007, 10:29 AM

TNmom, That is the best theory that I've read so far. You might be on to something there.

howth · 10-25-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TNmomof4

Well here's my theory on the ending and why the crazy edit of Bettina. I can't believe I'm still thinking about this!?!
Bettina is the final 1 and Brad is ready to propose. Bettina has been caught up in the whole romance and process of the show but on the day of the frc she comes down to earth and realizes she cannot accept a proposal. She is just not ready to take that step both emotionally and intimately. The producers are horrified. They do everything to try to convince her to accept. They even say, "just accept, it doesn't have to be real, everyone breaks up". But she refuses to compromise. She gets to the frc late, that is where we get the picture of Brad sitting looking at the ring. In a last ditch effort they decide to encourage Brad to propose anyway thinking there is no way she would refuse him on national tv. They get busted and she refuses. Maybe she even refuses to show up, who knows? Anyway Brad and Bettina decide that they do want to try a relationship once the craziness of the show is over. They believe they have the beginning of something that they want to explore in the real world apart from abc and the cameras. Neither one of them is a person who "needs" to be a relationship so a few months of singleness is not going bother either one. Brad has his work, which has kept him company for many years. Bettina has indicated that dating is not something she has really been doing so there's no problem with this. They are both level headed enough to know if, what they think has started on this show is real ,it will survive until the show is over and they can do it their way. If it doesn't survive the separation then it wasn't real to begin with anyway, so they are willing to risk and take the chance.
The aftr show will now happen because they are continuing and have made decisions about their future, or else it is happening because Brad has insisted in order to clear up the terrible edit.

That is the best theory so far I have read, especially with the editing this year and the interviews. Could this be the last year of the Bachelor?

TNmomof4 · 10-25-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TNmomof4

Well here's my theory on the ending and why the crazy edit of Bettina. I can't believe I'm still thinking about this!?!
Bettina is the final 1 and Brad is ready to propose. Bettina has been caught up in the whole romance and process of the show but on the day of the frc she comes down to earth and realizes she cannot accept a proposal. She is just not ready to take that step both emotionally and intimately. The producers are horrified. They do everything to try to convince her to accept. They even say, "just accept, it doesn't have to be real, everyone breaks up". But she refuses to compromise. She gets to the frc late, that is where we get the picture of Brad sitting looking at the ring. In a last ditch effort they decide to encourage Brad to propose anyway thinking there is no way she would refuse him on national tv. They get busted and she refuses. Maybe she even refuses to show up, who knows? Anyway Brad and Bettina decide that they do want to try a relationship once the craziness of the show is over. They believe they have the beginning of something that they want to explore in the real world apart from abc and the cameras. Neither one of them is a person who "needs" to be a relationship so a few months of singleness is not going bother either one. Brad has his work, which has kept him company for many years. Bettina has indicated that dating is not something she has really been doing so there's no problem with this. They are both level headed enough to know if, what they think has started on this show is real ,it will survive until the show is over and they can do it their way. If it doesn't survive the separation then it wasn't real to begin with anyway, so they are willing to risk and take the chance.
The aftr show will now happen because they are continuing and have made decisions about their future, or else it is happening because Brad has insisted in order to clear up the terrible edit.

I'm quoting myself, not because I think I'm right, but just because I had another thought to add to my theory. Then I am going to get on with my life and try not to read this message board for the rest of the day!!
What if the "twist" and the "ending that you won't believe" is that all along Bettina has been talking about "being in love". They have definitely made a point of showing this in her edit. Even to the extent of placing later pi's early to exagerate the point. They also have interjected the question of whether Brad is as into her as she is into him. Well, what if, when came down to it, Bettina indicates to Brad that she is ready to accept a proposal. Brad proposes and she declines as I suggest in my post. This would explain why they keep editing her showing mixed signals. They want to emphasize the fact that she's wishy washy, or confused, leading him on or however you want to interpret it.

thelmopolis · 10-25-2007, 01:54 PM

TNmomof4, I like your theory, but shouldn't Brad know (if he is so into her and has mad an effort to get to know the real her) that the girl who he wasn't able to kiss for so many weeks is not going to be anywhere near ready to accept a marriage proposal? It seems to me that if Bettina is F1 then he would not have considered proposing. Or maybe he planned on it but the reconsidered when he got to the RC?

jlccaz · 10-25-2007, 01:55 PM

First post: Be Nice.

My theory is that Jenni was brought on the show by the producers as a possible/probable Bachelorette, and her fast out-of-the-box romantic interactions with Brad, right up to the timing of her exit were more or less pre-determined.

SO, conditioned on successful ratings/viewer reaction along the way (see below), the shocking ending (and the timing of the WTA and ATFR shows) will include or preview an announcement of Jenni as the next Bachelorette.

WHY:

(1) the sleuthing with which I agree that makes me think she is not F1.

(2) She is presented as a Trista-like "adorable," high-energy, on-screen, smoochy character...but who (is edited as) having revealed nothing about herself personally, apart from successful career as model and NBA dancer. Leaves room to create

(3) the producers essentially have the entire season's ratings, tons of footage, comments made on this and other boards, as a prolonged screen test to see if "America" loves her enough (or is sufficently interested) to support an entire season of TB'ette.

(4) her edit sparks a bit of controversy -- leads to ratings -- without the impossible baggage of how negative (whiny) Bevin's edit was. Viewers will embrace a Bachelorette who made jealous/catty comments along the way, but not a person portrayed as whiny/needy.

(5) TB franchise is dead. Look at the way ABC has removed HOURS of TB programming this season, sometimes at the last minute, in favor of DWTS and other series. Perhaps TB'ette - with ratings track record related to the girl to back it up -- would persuade WB and ABC to carry TB'ette. (Probable lack of proposal by BW, and Andy/Tessa public break-up certainly does not fuel network interest in another season)

(6) Plenty of viewers clamor for another B'ette show, because of success of Trista/Ryan/Max.

(7) Suspicious pattern of posts (plants?) eliciting views about Jenni on all the boards, especially alphabet board.

This is NOT by the way to say that she was not honestly pursuing a possible relationship with TB, that is, open to falling in love and having him as "the one" and vice versa. It's just that by the time the edit is being made, the outcome is known. SO, editors go with plan B -- create lots of interest in Jenni as a character deserving of a lifelong romantic attachment...in another show.

10-25-2007, 09:13 AM	#143
TNmomof4 FORT Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 706	Re: The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS To me the big question now is what is the ending? Obviously this crazy editing has to do with the finale. "You have to watch from the beginning because you won't believe how it ends". One thing that comes to mind is that we definitely have to watch each episode because there is no pattern! Is that part of what Fleiss is doing? Has he monitered the message boards enough to totally mess up every pattern sluethers have ever used to determine the F1? Is he playing games because there wasn't a love match? Or is playing games because there wasn't any real drama to carry the show from beginning to end? Maybe the love connection didn't really start until the last episodes so he just played around with the sluethers during these beginning episodes. I've read that there is going to be an ATFR show. Is this a fact or rumor? How does this play into "you won't believe how it ends?" Do we get a non ending and the explaination is at the ATFR? I still think the ending is that Brad's proposal is refused on some level. One thing I have say is as upset as I am at the way they have edited this show, and as much as I want say "forget it, I'm not watching anymore" Fleiss does have me hooked and I want to see it through to the end.

10-25-2007, 09:25 AM	#144
glowgirl FORT Fogey Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,033	Re: The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS I have wondered if message boards really play a role in this show. I know that he wants to keep the ending a secret, but I would think the editing takes place long before the posts here are made about the show. I do think he takes to heart the fact there are people out there looking for clues to solve the mystery and works hard to keep those clues to a minimum. I am sure that during B1 it would have been simple to figure out the ending: no one was watching stills of sc's then.

10-25-2007, 10:19 AM	#145
TNmomof4 FORT Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 706	Re: The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS Well here's my theory on the ending and why the crazy edit of Bettina. I can't believe I'm still thinking about this!?! Bettina is the final 1 and Brad is ready to propose. Bettina has been caught up in the whole romance and process of the show but on the day of the frc she comes down to earth and realizes she cannot accept a proposal. She is just not ready to take that step both emotionally and intimately. The producers are horrified. They do everything to try to convince her to accept. They even say, "just accept, it doesn't have to be real, everyone breaks up". But she refuses to compromise. She gets to the frc late, that is where we get the picture of Brad sitting looking at the ring. In a last ditch effort they decide to encourage Brad to propose anyway thinking there is no way she would refuse him on national tv. They get busted and she refuses. Maybe she even refuses to show up, who knows? Anyway Brad and Bettina decide that they do want to try a relationship once the craziness of the show is over. They believe they have the beginning of something that they want to explore in the real world apart from abc and the cameras. Neither one of them is a person who "needs" to be a relationship so a few months of singleness is not going bother either one. Brad has his work, which has kept him company for many years. Bettina has indicated that dating is not something she has really been doing so there's no problem with this. They are both level headed enough to know if, what they think has started on this show is real ,it will survive until the show is over and they can do it their way. If it doesn't survive the separation then it wasn't real to begin with anyway, so they are willing to risk and take the chance. The aftr show will now happen because they are continuing and have made decisions about their future, or else it is happening because Brad has insisted in order to clear up the terrible edit.

10-25-2007, 10:29 AM	#146
NYGal FORT Fogey Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York City Posts: 1,486	Re: The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS TNmom, That is the best theory that I've read so far. You might be on to something there.

10-25-2007, 01:54 PM	#149
thelmopolis FORT Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 31	Re: The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS TNmomof4, I like your theory, but shouldn't Brad know (if he is so into her and has mad an effort to get to know the real her) that the girl who he wasn't able to kiss for so many weeks is not going to be anywhere near ready to accept a marriage proposal? It seems to me that if Bettina is F1 then he would not have considered proposing. Or maybe he planned on it but the reconsidered when he got to the RC?

10-25-2007, 01:55 PM	#150
jlccaz FORT Fogey Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,389	Re: The most shocking finale ever!! SPOILERS First post: Be Nice. My theory is that Jenni was brought on the show by the producers as a possible/probable Bachelorette, and her fast out-of-the-box romantic interactions with Brad, right up to the timing of her exit were more or less pre-determined. SO, conditioned on successful ratings/viewer reaction along the way (see below), the shocking ending (and the timing of the WTA and ATFR shows) will include or preview an announcement of Jenni as the next Bachelorette. WHY: (1) the sleuthing with which I agree that makes me think she is not F1. (2) She is presented as a Trista-like "adorable," high-energy, on-screen, smoochy character...but who (is edited as) having revealed nothing about herself personally, apart from successful career as model and NBA dancer. Leaves room to create (3) the producers essentially have the entire season's ratings, tons of footage, comments made on this and other boards, as a prolonged screen test to see if "America" loves her enough (or is sufficently interested) to support an entire season of TB'ette. (4) her edit sparks a bit of controversy -- leads to ratings -- without the impossible baggage of how negative (whiny) Bevin's edit was. Viewers will embrace a Bachelorette who made jealous/catty comments along the way, but not a person portrayed as whiny/needy. (5) TB franchise is dead. Look at the way ABC has removed HOURS of TB programming this season, sometimes at the last minute, in favor of DWTS and other series. Perhaps TB'ette - with ratings track record related to the girl to back it up -- would persuade WB and ABC to carry TB'ette. (Probable lack of proposal by BW, and Andy/Tessa public break-up certainly does not fuel network interest in another season) (6) Plenty of viewers clamor for another B'ette show, because of success of Trista/Ryan/Max. (7) Suspicious pattern of posts (plants?) eliciting views about Jenni on all the boards, especially alphabet board. This is NOT by the way to say that she was not honestly pursuing a possible relationship with TB, that is, open to falling in love and having him as "the one" and vice versa. It's just that by the time the edit is being made, the outcome is known. SO, editors go with plan B -- create lots of interest in Jenni as a character deserving of a lifelong romantic attachment...in another show.