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    Thanks, Cape, for an incredible analysis. In reading other sites, I found a piece which indicated that DeAnna was arrested for serving alcohol to a minor. (She did say that she was a realtor by day, but did bartend sometimes at night.) The article looked like a legal document. Of course the DeAnna Marie Pappas from Newnan, GA, cited in that document doesn't HAVE to be our girl, but what are the odds?
    I'm sad; I've really liked her and was hoping she'd end up F1. But it'd be a bit dicey for Brad, as bar owner, to take a wife with that on her record, wouldn't you say? How will this affect your analysis? Waiting with bated breath for your reply. IMO, The Batchelor according to Cape is the last word.

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    Interesting information indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danfan1024;2599190;
    Thanks, Cape, for an incredible analysis. In reading other sites, I found a piece which indicated that DeAnna was arrested for serving alcohol to a minor. (She did say that she was a realtor by day, but did bartend sometimes at night.) The article looked like a legal document. Of course the DeAnna Marie Pappas from Newnan, GA, cited in that document doesn't HAVE to be our girl, but what are the odds?
    I'm sad; I've really liked her and was hoping she'd end up F1. But it'd be a bit dicey for Brad, as bar owner, to take a wife with that on her record, wouldn't you say? How will this affect your analysis? Waiting with bated breath for your reply. IMO, The Batchelor according to Cape is the last word.
    If this happened before the show, I highly doubt she would have been cast.
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    I read the article about what happened before the show started and didn't think it was an issue...

    the tavern she worked in had their license suspended for serving a minor - he had presented what appeared to be a valid id on several occasions and they believed him to be 21 - she was not arrested

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    Alcohol license suspended at Tavern
    Published 2/15/06

    By SARAH FAY CAMPBELL

    Following a lengthy hearing, the Newnan City Council Tuesday afternoon voted 6-1 to suspend the alcohol license of the Corner Tavern for 30 days and to place the establishment on a one-year probation.

    That was the recommendation of City Attorney Brad Sears.

    Following a presentation by attorney Arthur "Skin" Edge and Corner Tavern Assistant Manager J.J. Madaris on training plans, the mood of the council appeared to lean toward leniency.

    But in the past, "we have made a strong statement" when it comes to serving alcohol to minors, said Councilwoman Cynthia Jenkins. To stay consistent with past actions, she made a motion to suspend the license for 30 days.

    In September 2004, the council suspended the license of Café Blu for 30 days following allegations of underage drinking and violation of the city's alcohol ordinance. Café Blu closed down soon after.

    There were two main issues before the council. On Jan. 12, a confidential informant had purchased beer at Corner Tavern, located off the Newnan Crossing Bypass, without showing ID. Officers then moved in and checked IDs of other bar patrons. One other patron was found to be underage, and as the officer was taking him out, a waitress came after the officers and told them that the subject had a tab that needed to be paid, according to Officer Matt Kee of the Newnan Police Department.

    The sting was done because of complaints about "different stuff going on at the Corner Tavern," Kee said.

    The other issue is the percentage of food sales versus alcohol sales. City ordinance requires that 55 percent of gross sales be from food and nonalcoholic beverages at any establishment with an alcohol license. For the past four quarters, the Corner Tavern's food sales ranged from 46.2 to 50 percent.

    According to testimony from the bartenders, Jason Madaris and Deanna Pappas, and the waitress, Kelly O'Connell, both of the underage men had been to the bar before and had shown what appeared to be a valid ID.

    Neither of these IDs were recovered on the night of the arrests.

    Edge took particular issue with the confidential informant. The 20-year-old had violated probation on New Year's Eve, when his probation officer saw him drinking at the Corner Tavern. The probation officer called the police and escorted the man outside.

    Jason Madaris said that he had seen the man's ID at least twice before. "He's been in there enough times that I know what he drinks," Madaris said.

    Pappas said she had also carded the man several times before.

    The Coweta County Crime Suppression Unit had attempted the sting a week earlier, but the man was denied access to the bar.

    State law does not require a server to ID someone every time they purchase alcohol, Edge said. "The law also says that if someone produces a valid ID and it looks to be official and sufficient and shows that they are over 21, and you have no way of knowing otherwise, that you have a defense," he said.

    "That is precisely what happened," Edge said. "They had seen the ID. They understood that he was over 21, and they served him." If the man had been 15 or 16, that would be something different, Edge said. But this guy is "cutting a deal with his probation officer to try and get himself out of trouble," he said.

    "He misled them before. He misled them that night," he said.

    "I don't think that justifies someone taking their license away, a legitimate business."

    Edge showed the council several driver's licenses that had been confiscated by Corner Tavern staff when staff members found that the ID didn't match the person who was presenting it.

    Edge said that Corner Tavern staff had met twice with the city attorney, NPD Chief Douglas "Buster" Meadows and city staff and "talked extensively about what they need to do," when it comes to ID'ing and selling to customers who are heavily intoxicated.

    The Corner Tavern has brought in off-duty NPD officers to work security, Edge said. "They are trying to comply with the law. We feel like a period of probation would be more than sufficient."

    JJ Madaris talked about different ways that employees can tell if a driver's license is legitimate or not. He also talked about a "green, yellow, red" light system to determine if someone should be served more alcohol or not. He said on more than one occasion, Corner Tavern staff had stopped a patron from leaving who was obviously too drunk to drive. He said he is working on a more extensive training program and would be teaching a class and showing videos.

    He was also asked what the Corner Tavern, which serves Korean specialities as well as standard bar fare, would do to increase food sales. He said they plan to advertise specials in the newspaper, and that the grill is always open until closing.

    Councilman Greg Lewis said that every time a new person is working the door at the Corner Tavern, he has been carded. "I know they try," he said.

    Jenkins then made her motion. After a bit of silence, it was seconded by George Alexander.

    The vote was 6-1, with Lewis opposed.
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    Re: Episode Sleuthing Breakdown - Links/Pictures included (spoilers included)

    Thanks for finding, and posting ,that article Cape!
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    I agree about the article...and I am sure that Brad being the business would understand....

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    Re: Episode Sleuthing Breakdown - Links/Pictures included (spoilers included)

    Thanks for posting the article that really shows what happened. As soon as this show has some frontrunners, people at certain boards start trying to tear them into pieces, and that works even better if there is some kind of real story behind their rumor. So it's always good to know the truth.
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    Thanks for answering so quickly and for posting the article. I hope DeAnna makes it to F1. BTW I am simply awestruck with your tech skills.

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    Yes, Thank you for posting the article. Its nice to read what really happened. Thanks again cape!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krrj;2599353;
    Yes, Thank you for posting the article. Its nice to read what really happened. Thanks again cape!
    I add my thanks as well. It is good to know the truth, and I might add as just my opinion, of course, very unfair to expect her and the other bartenders involved to have been mindreaders as suggested on some of the other boards.
    I am beginning to see more and more why this particular young lady is a little cautious in her outlook on life....."Don't trust anybody."

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