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    I do not know who the hell Dr. Lillian Glass is and I don't care what soemone's title is, it does not mean that they are always right. I have had to deal with many psychologists and even a psychiatrist who was a supposed specialist in his field and many of them still were wrong about a personal situation I have had to deal with.

    I take exception to this person's declaration that Andy was turned off by Bevin's divorce. I myself had serious reservations about his reaction to that piece of news, but I did not notice any real change in his attitude to her after this disclosure.

    Mind you, if you are pro Tessa you could interpet it as meaning that he had aready picked Tessa over Bevin, so this disclosure was of no relevance to his dicision. Or you can believe that he had already fallen in love with Bevin and this was a not a deal breaker for him.

    I recall in the Meredith season how they had some body language expert in a magazine do an analysis of photos of Mer with Ian and Matt, and the expert picked Matt. (In fact I probably still have the magazine somewhere....)

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    Honestly do you believe that IF Bevin wasn't the chosen one Fleiss would ahve made a bigg deal out of it. I sure it took Andy back a few steps. However I don't think he'll hold it against her. I sure they talked about it.

    And I believe if it was Tessa the chosen one they would ahow more of her and ANdy connection instead of the Doubt issue.

    Do I like Tessa Yes.. However due to editing and what they are showing us I bellieve its Bevin. and if he choses Tessa Will I be happy Yes. If he choses Danielle Will I be happy Yes.

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    If "Dr. Lillian (no credentials)" had stuck to reading body language she might have more credibility, but I don't think she said anything that one of our board members couldn't have said. She chose to cherry pick the interesting parts to illustrate her points and certainly veered away from reading body language.

    However, her description IS similar to the way I percieved the visit to Tesse' parents. I find it interesting that someone else felt that too and had the nerve to print it. I sure didn't - have the nerve to post this impression. Andy physically removed himself from the table to also remove himself from the conversation - I was appalled
    As comfortable as he felt in Danielle’s home is as uncomfortable as he felt in Tessa’s home with her family and “best friend.”
    First let me address the issue of the “best friend”. Why was she taking over and interrogating Andy. It was ugly. Andy probably wanted to walk out or tell this little nosey bodied yenta to mind her own business, but he grinned and bore it. His body and facial language showed that he was in clear agony at having to deal with this vicious “friend” who no doubt was so jealous of Tessa for being so lucky to potentially have this hunk as her husband. Did the producers bring in this “nasty fiend” because it would make good television? I think so! They really wanted to see what Andy was made of. They found out that through and through Andy never wavered. He was a true gentleman to the core.
    Tessa’s mother was really skeptical of Andy. Her body language and facial expression reeked of skepticism. the woman hardly ever smiled when she spoke to Andy and was anything but warm and welcoming. Her scowl made her look very unattractive.
    Tessa’s father was no bargain either. He barely spoke and seemed to be rather wishy washy. Finally he inadvertently spilled the beans as he told Andy that Tessa just entered the competition for fun- to try something different. This devastated Andy. This is where you see him become really insecure and crushed as he wonders if he is being “played: and if she is genuine or if she has any interest in him at all.
    He asks her point blank how she feels about him and she still will not part with her emotions or feelings when he asks her who she wants to spend her life with. She answers “who do you think? He finally gets a sheepish and soft voiced “you” out of her, which made him feel happy.
    In essence, she made him work for it. She made him pursue her and would not come clean all the way. One can’t blame her. What woman wants her emotions splattered all over TV if a guy is “playing: her. It works both ways. So she is cautious and cleaver.
    The upside is that Andy will end up choosing a woman he is attracted to, has chemistry with, and whom he has had to win over, thus quenching his thirst for competition.
    The downside may be that she never fully comes clean with her emotions and shares her true feelings.. Perhaps he will have to spend his life coaxing love out of her and keep trying to win her over. The downside is that he will have to have her parents as in-laws. Let’s hope that Tessa’s father becomes more communicative and that her mother becomes less skeptical and less angry. Let’s hope that her sister opens up as well. And most of all let’s hope and pray that Tessa’s “best friend” stays out of Andy and Tessa’s business and their life together.
    I highlighted the parts that I thought came from body language which I saw also. Below is the Editorial comment

    My reaction to this was that Tesse family treated the whole thing as a game and one of Tesse's big adventures. They were directed to do what they did. Fleiss was delighted to get the footage he did. (As they were with Bevin's injury) Somewhere along the line, the family got so caught up in the playacting that they forgot that he was a guest in their home and to treat him as such. He was not a game show contestant, but was someone who was/is going to be engaged to their daughter.
    I don't know who eventually "wins" this. At this juncture, I am not sure I care, but anyone who says Tesse and Andy had a great homevisit is only looking at the parts they want to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelle;2388239;
    If "Dr. Lillian (no credentials)" had stuck to reading body language she might have more credibility, but I don't think she said anything that one of our board members couldn't have said. She chose to cherry pick the interesting parts to illustrate her points and certainly veered away from reading body language.

    However, her description IS similar to the way I percieved the visit to Tesse' parents. I find it interesting that someone else felt that too and had the nerve to print it. I sure didn't - have the nerve to post this impression. Andy physically removed himself from the table to also remove himself from the conversation - I was appalled

    I highlighted the parts that I thought came from body language which I saw also. Below is the Editorial comment

    My reaction to this was that Tesse family treated the whole thing as a game and one of Tesse's big adventures. They were directed to do what they did. Fleiss was delighted to get the footage he did. (As they were with Bevin's injury) Somewhere along the line, the family got so caught up in the playacting that they forgot that he was a guest in their home and to treat him as such. He was not a game show contestant, but was someone who was/is going to be engaged to their daughter.
    I don't know who eventually "wins" this. At this juncture, I am not sure I care, but anyone who says Tesse and Andy had a great homevisit is only looking at the parts they want to see.
    Good points Jelle. ITA with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsyourmom;2387335;
    Thanks, Nutty, great article. I wonder why it has some many typos and errors, if it's a print article. (I know that has nothing to do with you; just curious.)
    You mean "Stars Bangled Banner"???

    Quote Originally Posted by jelle
    anyone who says Tesse and Andy had a great homevisit is only looking at the parts they want to see.
    Ahh, but the inverse is also true....anyone who says Tessa and Andy's homevisit was horrible is only seeing what Fleiss wants you to see.

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    "Dr. Lillian (no credentials)"
    To be fair, Dr. Glass does have credentials and has published several books, as described on her web site: Dr. Lillian Glass- Communication / Personality Assessment - Body Language Analysis - Dating and Relationship Advice. For every expert, there's another expert who will challenge that expert's expert opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krispy;2388138;
    I do not know who the hell Dr. Lillian Glass is and I don't care what soemone's title is, it does not mean that they are always right. I have had to deal with many psychologists and even a psychiatrist who was a supposed specialist in his field and many of them still were wrong about a personal situation I have had to deal with.

    I take exception to this person's declaration that Andy was turned off by Bevin's divorce. I myself had serious reservations about his reaction to that piece of news, but I did not notice any real change in his attitude to her after this disclosure.

    Mind you, if you are pro Tessa you could interpet it as meaning that he had aready picked Tessa over Bevin, so this disclosure was of no relevance to his dicision. Or you can believe that he had already fallen in love with Bevin and this was a not a deal breaker for him.

    I recall in the Meredith season how they had some body language expert in a magazine do an analysis of photos of Mer with Ian and Matt, and the expert picked Matt. (In fact I probably still have the magazine somewhere....)


    I think that was in US magazine. I think though, in that situation the body language expert was just shown 1 picture of Mer/Ian and Mer/Mathew and chose Mer/Mathew. I think there's a big difference with this body language expert because it sounds as though they have watched the entire season so I would say their holds a little more weight.

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    Ahh, but the inverse is also true....anyone who says Tessa and Andy's homevisit was horrible is only seeing what Fleiss wants you to see.
    Sorry, you cannot have it both ways.

    What we saw from the homedate was what was caught on film. It was not all that was on film, but it did happen. If you give Dr.Lillian any credibility, that is what she read from the body language and it wasn't pretty. And Andy did retreat from the table for whatever reason. What guest clears the table the first time he is in someone's home? Especially with a family that is as socially adept as Tesse's. (Perhaps he did that at Fleiss direction, but he showed he was certainly ready for the reprieve)

    What we saw of Bevin and Danielle's dates DID happen. We saw it on film. It was not all that happened, but it did happen. It played into the story to show both in positive light, but also, they may have both been really good visits. This Dr. person did have a different response to both of those dates.

    What about Amber's date? Was her date REALLY different than shown by Fleiss? Of course, we did not see all of it, but the material she gave them to work with was there in part and we, for the most part, have accepted that version. We "saw" why we think she was eliminated. So why not Tesse's also?

    Tesse's date was not all bad. But there was no warm fuzzy as it was shown.
    Sure, it was put in there for a specific purpose, but why would they show the family of his future inlaws in such a poor light? (The same question used to disqualify Bevin.)I wonder if Tesse has a few qualms as to what they were going to do with her homedate after she saw the hatchet job on Bevin.

    Bevin's personality has been judged from what was shown of her. Very few people are willing to accept that it is a small part of her personity. Why should we then accept that the less than stellar homedate for Tesse was anything else but difficult? Andy was hoping to see the family dynamics with each girl. Family, he says, is very important. Fleiss highlighted/cherry-picked the family dynamics. At this point I accept that we saw a fairly valid representation. Just the same as I accept that Bevin was miserable and crying when she got hurt.

    All of this is not to say that Tesse is not the one he chooses - she may be. The hand holding the brush is not painting her in only one bright shiney color, and her homedate had lots of negative shades and not many positive ones.
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    Re: Body Language Analysis Thoughts

    Thanks for that article, nutty, and thanks for allowing it, Jewelsy. I agree that it is very interesting.

    As has been said, Dr. Glass, like all of us, is analyzing from edited footage and seems to see what many of us see. She said what many here have said. In the end, all this proves ( besides that everyone here is brilliant ) ... is that Fleiss and his editors are very competent at what they do.
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    For a body language expert, she doesn't say too much about body language. I also think it is funny that she makes the statement about the producers bringing in the nasty friend to make good television. So Fleiss asked Tessa if she had any mean girl friends who would show up at her family dinner and interrogate Andy for them??? seems a little unlikely. I think Tessa's family just seemed a little shy frankly. The mom and dad didn't speak much at all that we saw, but the dad made a couple of jokes; if he really is a Washington, D.C. bigwig, he must love his daughter very much to show up on a tv show like this for her. Her mom just seemed quiet; i don't think that makes her necessarily unfriendly. It may not have been the most jovial, back slapping hometown visit shown last week (okay, clearly it wasn't), but I don't think it is fair to start criticizing these people's families. I for one would be hugely uncomfortable on camera, and would not be myself. They hugged him hello, they hugged him goodbye, they let cameras into their house, they fed him dinner. i think we should focus on the actual participant's interactions.

    By the way, if you watch the shows again in order only watching the Tessa/Andy scenes (), she does tell him about her feelings; i think the main reason he is insecure about it is because he likes her so much, he needs more reassurance. I mean look at her face when she sees him.

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